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the extraordinary phenomenon

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investigations council presents epic

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voyages come join us as we hit her and

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experience the great mysteries of the

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world with tonight's host dr joseph

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good evening

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my name is dr joseph burks and you are

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listening to epic voyages on the

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inception radio network

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tonight we have a guest

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we're speaking to

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in europe

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that's right

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his name is gerard artson he's dutch and

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he's an english language instructor

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author and lecturer

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during his youth

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and young adult years he traveled the

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world as a backpacker

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in the late 1990s

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what he described as his quote hippie

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days quote unquote came to an end

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and he received an educational degree

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from amsterdam university of applied

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sciences

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there he has held a teaching position in

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the department of secondary education

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since 2001.

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gerard artson has studied the teachings

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of the early contactees and in 2008

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published the book george adamski a

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herald for space brothers

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i i correct uh that was 2010.

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subsequently he has written here to help

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ufos and the space brothers and in 2015

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his latest work is titled priorities for

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a planet in transition

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the space brothers case for justice and

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freedom he is a frequent guest

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on international radio and tv shows

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about ufos and related subjects

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so i welcome to epic voyages on the

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mr gerard artson are you there gerard

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hello joseph i'm here thank you very

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thank you very much for having me on

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it's really a great pleasure

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i discovered you through my association

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uh with free

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ray hernandez as well as reverend carter

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both of them gave me the recommendation

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and i was fascinated to

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i've known about but not very much and

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writings of the and the philosophy of

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so maybe we can talk about you as a

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person first and your travels and how

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that rounded you out as an individual

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this subject and then get into the

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specific ufo studies

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both past contactees as well as more

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um well i actually don't know if my life

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uh and many people even went beyond

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fortunately they they said yes and we

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nepal and india so much that i went back

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i see well you say overland travel so

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significance of that

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that region has been plunged into war

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got a unique experience at a time just

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well just before it ended uh what what

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year did you make your first six-month

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young person indeed

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involved with uh the ufo phenomena

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i understand that during your travels

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you may have had some unusual events

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that opened up your consciousness uh

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that to the reality that the full

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spectrum of what we call reality is much

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broader than what we imagine just like

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electromagnetic radiation is much

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broader than what our eyes can see so

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travels that opened your consciousness

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hippie trail from that ran from london

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would trade their books or just try and

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the gods and i thought it was

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fascinating and i i still

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of anomalies in human history

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unexplainable phenomena or or

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buildings and things around the world

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another book by hayes by him and

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about that too and in the end i was

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traveling around with the pile of i

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carrying any extra weight doesn't seem

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those extra two or three pounds or four

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the limitation i think

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what started me on this on this route

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the philosophical teachings expanded on

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who later lived moved to america

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benjamin cram recently diseased so

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but to come back to your question

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spot at the foot of the annapurna

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mountain range yanapuna range ranges

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snow cloud even in summer although the

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saw the sun split up split itself

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moving away from the copper disk

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uh which i thought was rather odd

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um

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you're saying that the sun appeared to

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be two suns or the sun eventually yes

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after if after the one of the discs had

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moved away

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from the from the original disk that you

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know that you see as the sun and then

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suddenly there were two sons

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and i thought that's something i haven't

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seen before

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i was at that time i was there with a

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friend and i know i you know i

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pointed it out to my friend and my

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friend

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uh was freaked out he just freaked out

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he said hey don't don't point out those

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kind of things to me i can't handle that

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and that that uh

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reassured me that i actually saw what i

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saw

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and

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at the time

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i must be you know to be honest i i

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didn't even relate it to ufo activity

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but

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years later i think it was in the late

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1990s or

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um or even a bit later

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um

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they came out reports no it was i think

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it was about five or or eight years ago

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reports and the first one i remember

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seeing was from taiwan

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where there was a report in the media of

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two sons showing uh in the sky

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and

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by then you know i had taken up a

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solid interest in extraterrestrial

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visitors and ufos etc

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and

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it was then i think that i finally

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realized that i must have seen something

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probably uh out of this earth

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out of this world

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uh at that time yes

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that's that that kind of uh siding that

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for dramatic and can plant a seed

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even in the most skeptical or shall we

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say the most fearful

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as a

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witness and those seeds

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because of the continued ufo activity

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and the response of many different

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communities those seeds have grown and

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in your case they've grown into three

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books

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now that i've read most of your latest i

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have to say that i'm going back to

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purchase the other two

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and i'm very curious about adamski

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and so tell us a little bit more about

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uh how you started your more academic

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investigations because your your work by

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the way is very well documented i like

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the fact that the book is small

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which means i can carry it around with

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me

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and

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every single statement is well

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referenced so i can review the

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literature

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by reviewing the references to see how

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you came up came upon your theories so

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so tell us what piqued your interest in

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a more academic

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really historical and political science

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uh analysis

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but just a slight correction um i've

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just

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last year published my fourth book

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before disclosure dispelling the fog of

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speculation which is actually

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sort of a philosophical approach to

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how i deal with the subject

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but

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yes what piqued my interest a to the

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extent that i started to write about it

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was

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um i i told you that my background is

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that of apart from my professional work

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you know as a teacher an educator um

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i

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and

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i actually my first major publication

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was an online publication which is still

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around it's an annotated catalog if you

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[Music]

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i came to the point where i wanted to

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include

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you know the contactees that i thought

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based on on for instance benjamin cram's

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information were

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were valid

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and

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george adamski had been mentioned by

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kram in his very first book from 1979 um

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so i had been

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you know i've been reading adamski's

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books rereading i should say because i

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read his two main books

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flying sources have landed which adamski

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co-wrote with desmond leslie and inside

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the spaceships

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1955 in which he elaborates on his many

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meetings and the teachings that he

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received from his space contacts

409
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but i was looking into

410
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other publications by adamski and i

411
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found out more and more

412
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as i delved into his background and of

413
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course you know if you just google

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george adamski

415
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a lot of lies and half truths and and

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and

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derision uh ridicule comes up more than

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anything else i in preparation for this

419
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uh conversation

420
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:06,320
earlier today i look at wikipedia's

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review of george adamski

422
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so it may be interesting for the

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audience some people who are not

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familiar to say a few words about george

425
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adamski

426
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who what i learned today or relearned

427
00:18:23,909 --> 00:18:21,840
jose was born in 1891

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as a young man he served in the united

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states army prior to u.s involvement in

430
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the first world war

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uh he reportedly was served on them and

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the

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mexico and uh so when he passed away in

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the 1960s i think it was 19 it was 1965

435
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65. yeah uh he was buried in arlington

436
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national seminar cemetery which i

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believe is

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you know reserved for for veterans uh

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and and

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during his uh um years he worked in many

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types of

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00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:02,880
work he was not an educated man in terms

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of formal education and so he

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did odd jobs and then

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later on during the depression

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00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:14,559
he got involved in a kind of

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new age religion and you can

448
00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:18,880
supplement my statements with your

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understanding of his

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journey

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00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:24,240
but at one point and this his critics

452
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:26,799
made a very big point of this that he

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during the uh

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prohibition period was able to

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get permission from the federal

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government to manufacture wine

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because they use it in the religious

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ceremonies and the wikipedia

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story

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much of it is if not made up then at

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least highly distorted they made they

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quoted him as saying

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uh to the something to the extent that

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the depression was great i was uh

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getting

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i was able to make uh wine and supply

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all of southern california and when when

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uh the the um

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uh prohibition period ended i was sort

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of out of a job and he made some

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allegedly a very derogative derogatory

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comment he said if it hadn't been for

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the end of the uh uh prohibition period

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i wouldn't have had to got gotten into

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00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:29,200
this uh ufo junk

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00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:33,120
yes so these are these are the quotes um

477
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:35,440
but so let's talk a little about uh his

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00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:37,679
journey uh because you have written a

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book and a lot of people don't

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understand

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and i have i have to say that i was i

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fell into this trap as well that i did

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not understand the the uh documentation

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the extent of his communications and the

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similarities between

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much of what he was saying and other

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00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,080
contactees and that it went beyond just

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a concern about nuclear arms race and

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nuclear testing which as

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our audience may know

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back in the 1940s and the 1950s

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the the united states and the former

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soviet union were in a kind of race

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to develop weapons of mass destruction

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and it involved something that

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to this day is still a problem and it

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involved atmospheric testing uh where

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both sides

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dumped hundreds of millions of of metric

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tons of radioactive

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fallout from these nuclear tests in the

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atmosphere all over the planet and they

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did have very specific health

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consequences so people were aware of the

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dangers of the nuclear arms race and

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that information was reflected in the uh

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communications uh that the

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extraterrestrials or whoever they were i

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was i'm somewhat dubious about the e.t

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hypothesis but whoever they were

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they were concerned about nuclear

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weapons

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so tell us about that

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yes um

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[Music]

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the the quotes that you just cited from

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wikipedia

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are a good example of

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the degree to which

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uh especially the authorities and and

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since then almost everyone else who

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wanted to be taken seriously in the

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field of ufology or

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you know the flying saucer phenomenon or

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exopolitics as it's called

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since uh who has been called since i

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don't know 2006

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i believe

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um

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00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:36,000
any anyone who thinks they or

531
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you know

532
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,120
want to make a name for themselves or or

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wants to be taken seriously they deride

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00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:46,320
and ridicule defame george adamski

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and it's usually not based on what he

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00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:50,799
said himself

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00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,720
the quote that you gave about the

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prohibition

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thing that he was involved in

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00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,120
i don't know what it is based on

541
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and even if there's some some degree of

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truth in that

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00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:08,480
it doesn't take away

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from the fact

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that he had the most remarkable life

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00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:17,200
my interest in george adamski started

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as to the

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origin of the teachings i've been

549
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talking about in the that for my

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background

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00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:28,559
uh madame blavatsky in the late 19th

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century founded with some others the

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theosophical society which was

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which was set up to introduce rather

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reintroduce to humanity the notion of

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uh the evolution of consciousness the

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um

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has

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evolved a spiritual kingdom which is

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populated

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by

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what are called the masses of wisdom

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men like us men and women like us who

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have who have evolved beyond the

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strictly human state

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um and from their midst uh through the

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centuries through the ages they have

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sent teachers into the world to remind

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humanity of

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00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:21,440
our innate divinity um and pointed the

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way usually against you know the

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cultural background of the area where

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they

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uh at that time in human history um

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would be of you know of the the where

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their teaching would be best received

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and what's most necessary uh so we're

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talking about uh

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people like krishna and

580
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,559
buddha sankracharia

581
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,480
jesus

582
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:49,919
but also

583
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:53,600
mythological people teachers who have

584
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:56,320
been relegated to mythology hermes

585
00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:04,870
many many many others

586
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,470
these

587
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:08,480
masters of wisdom who have always been

588
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:11,919
around on our planet as the guys and

589
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:19,029
at the end of

590
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,440
or during the final destruction of the

591
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,440
continent of atlantis according to the

592
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:25,840
the wisdom teachings they withdrew to

593
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:28,320
the remote mountain and desert areas of

594
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,360
the world

595
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:31,760
and many people will have heard of the

596
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:34,480
masters of wisdom as they

597
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:38,400
you know reside in in valleys in tibet

598
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,360
hidden valleys in tibet or in the andes

599
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:43,279
some people claim there are some masters

600
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:48,710
and the interesting thing

601
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:49,919
when i

602
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:52,640
started looking at george dempsey's work

603
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:53,760
in depth

604
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:56,480
i then came across the title of his

605
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:57,840
first book

606
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:59,679
which is called the wisdom of the

607
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:01,360
masters of the far east

608
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:04,000
this was 1936 long before any

609
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:05,360
publication

610
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,400
by him or i believe anyone else about

611
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:10,559
flying sources or or extraterrestrial

612
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,799
visitors

613
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:14,799
i managed to obtain a copy

614
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:17,760
and the content of this booklet it's

615
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:20,320
only small booklet

616
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:23,440
was almost you know a one-on-one but in

617
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:27,200
his own words um reflection of the

618
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:29,840
teachings that i have been studying the

619
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:31,919
especially the books by blavatsky and

620
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,480
bailey ellis bailey and benjamin cram

621
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:36,799
it's remarkable the degree and the

622
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:42,310
enlightening

623
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:45,120
quality of of the text

624
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,080
i continued

625
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:50,080
my research to find out more about

626
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:53,200
adamski and i found several sources

627
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:54,480
that

628
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:58,320
hinted at adamski having been sent to

629
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,360
tibet

630
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:01,919
as a teenager

631
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,320
apparently his father died as a young

632
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:06,320
age they were polish immigrants the

633
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,840
adamski family

634
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:09,279
i believe i believe he was born in the

635
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:10,880
united states

636
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:14,240
no he was he was born in poland

637
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,000
here when he was two years old that was

638
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,480
two or four years old

639
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,720
and um

640
00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:22,480
at a very young age after they had

641
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,400
landed in in in

642
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,799
in the us and the family settled in in

643
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,039
dunkirk um

644
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:31,440
his father died at a young age his

645
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:34,720
father was a carpenter by the way

646
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,440
and

647
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:37,679
they're during their voyage across the

648
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,840
ocean and

649
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,200
as

650
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:43,440
young george would go to school in

651
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:47,600
dunkirk and come home he would run into

652
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:51,919
a person uh that he named uncle sid

653
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,880
um

654
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,799
so let's go john curtis sunkirk was in

655
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,880
new jersey is that right it was close

656
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:58,240
so yes yes

657
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:59,279
new jersey

658
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:00,720
um

659
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,880
at least with regard to to young george

660
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:12,960
and suggested to his mother

661
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:15,919
uh and offered to pay for it that to

662
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:17,200
send uh

663
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,350
a monastery in tibet

664
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,360
how old was how old was george adams he

665
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:27,600
was in his teens i don't know if he was

666
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:30,399
14 or 15 or 16 i don't know

667
00:28:32,820 --> 00:28:31,919
it sounds like you may have gone on a

668
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:32,830
similar journey

669
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:35,520
[Laughter]

670
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:37,919
not that much older

671
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,399
not that much taller but i didn't get as

672
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:42,720
far as as george adamski did in terms of

673
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,960
the people that he that he met and was

674
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:47,039
was

675
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,039
trained and educated by

676
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:51,360
he was actually

677
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:54,240
he ended up in a monastery in tibet

678
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:57,440
where he was taught and studied with

679
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,240
one or several of the masters of wisdom

680
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:02,559
now this is quite quite remarkable

681
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:03,520
because

682
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,159
um i've read the book um i think it was

683
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:08,960
seven years in tibet about the uh which

684
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:10,960
was made into a movie i think with brad

685
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,240
pitt about these uh these german

686
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:16,799
prisoners of war during world war ii and

687
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:19,600
their desperate struggle to enter into

688
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,159
the kingdom of tibet on foot and the

689
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:24,480
challenges they face in terms of the

690
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:28,559
cold the high altitudes the the the

691
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:29,840
basically it was

692
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:31,600
they were moving to areas that were like

693
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,559
deserts and they finally came upon the

694
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:36,880
kingdom well they were starving and

695
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,559
exhausted and they were taken in uh so

696
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,720
i find that really and they also brought

697
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:44,960
back i think the first photographs to

698
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:47,919
the west of the dalai lama and of that

699
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,159
region um at least that's what the

700
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:51,840
people who promoted the book and movie

701
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:54,559
said i'm not sure that's true but

702
00:30:02,950 --> 00:29:57,919
so so for a man to uh go and receive the

703
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:05,269
that that's quite remarkable how secure

704
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,000
are you in the documentation about this

705
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,880
journey because this is not mentioned

706
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,159
readily in

707
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,159
many of the

708
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:16,240
reports that you see on the internet

709
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,679
no

710
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:19,279
the

711
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:25,760
came from different sources

712
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:28,799
and one of which was a newspaper article

713
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:31,520
in the los angeles examiner i'm i'm not

714
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,200
sure if i think it was 1934 in which

715
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:37,200
adamski was

716
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:40,399
asked about his his

717
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:42,640
his uh beginnings

718
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,520
and

719
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:45,200
that's the only reference that i'm aware

720
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:46,080
of

721
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:48,399
that he gave himself to his training in

722
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:49,360
tibet

723
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:51,039
and he said that he

724
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:54,000
learned a lot there on the roof of the

725
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,960
world

726
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,159
um

727
00:30:58,690 --> 00:30:58,240
especially in terms of

728
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,700
um

729
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:00,960
[Music]

730
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:03,120
controlling you know our

731
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,559
our lower nature as as human beings

732
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,320
temperature body temperature things like

733
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,159
that um

734
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:12,159
there was a source the

735
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:15,039
fred stackling the the first president

736
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:16,799
of the george zidanski foundation

737
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,440
referred to it in in his

738
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:21,440
in one of his writings

739
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:23,760
there's a book by henry dohen

740
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:27,279
an australian inventor

741
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,240
who

742
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:30,080
wrote a book about the early contact

743
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:32,640
he's called the pawn of his creator

744
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:35,679
and he had a reference to it

745
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:36,480
and

746
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,840
there's a

747
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,080
rather rare book by

748
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:42,880
swiss author longtime adamski associate

749
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:45,440
lou zinstag

750
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,480
co-written with the uk renowned uk

751
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:50,320
researcher timothy good

752
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:51,519
um

753
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,159
it's called george adamski at lowe's we

754
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:56,559
know that pros need to be ready ready to

755
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:59,679
roll felt ready to cap ready to shingle

756
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,440
and during lowe's ready to raise the

757
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:03,360
roof event pro customers should get

758
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:06,159
ready to save big with up to 20 percent

759
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:08,480
on gaf shingles every day when they buy

760
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:10,960
in bulk plus now through july 16th at

761
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,200
lowe's pros can save up to 20 percent

762
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,440
off select hitachi nailers compressors

763
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,600
and power tools see the pro desk in

764
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:19,679
store for details shingle offer applies

765
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:21,679
to contractor packs selection varies by

766
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:25,039
store us only the the untold story and

767
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,159
this and

768
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:29,039
losing stack refers to it as well

769
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:31,279
so i'm gonna i'm gonna play the role of

770
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:34,640
devil's advocate here uh because um

771
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:37,519
these are interesting references and uh

772
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:39,200
people who are closely associated with

773
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,640
them but a man of adamski's

774
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:44,720
shall we say showmanship

775
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,039
because to be an educator as you well

776
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,360
know to teach you have to get people's

777
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:51,039
attention and in order to get them

778
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:52,960
attend their attention you have to be

779
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:55,600
sometimes play the role of a showman

780
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,480
so

781
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:58,399
a man of his showmanship

782
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:00,640
i imagine with that

783
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:03,919
very unusual part of his biography under

784
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:06,559
ordinary circumstances one might assume

785
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,519
that he would talk readily about that

786
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:11,760
and i'm i'm questioning whether he

787
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,320
actually went there physically because

788
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:17,279
of the travels the the the extreme

789
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:19,519
difficulties in traveling uh to that

790
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,159
remote part of the world however i don't

791
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:24,799
necessarily think that he wasn't exposed

792
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:27,760
to the teachings of tibetan masters but

793
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:29,760
as we both know in terms of

794
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,279
parapsychology

795
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,519
out-of-body experiences and telepathic

796
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:35,120
communications

797
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,000
people

798
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,480
have experiences where part of their

799
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,840
consciousness

800
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,000
travels to remote locations where they

801
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:44,559
receive information this is called uh

802
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,760
sometimes remote viewing or sometimes

803
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,200
a separate subject

804
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,120
out of body experiences so i'm not

805
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,519
questioning necessarily that he received

806
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:55,919
some kind of indoctrination as a young

807
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:58,399
person because many contactees

808
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:01,279
receive vast amounts of philosophical

809
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:04,080
information as as young people and even

810
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:06,880
though they are not able to digest it or

811
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:09,200
totally comprehend it it influences

812
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,800
their later um activities now do you

813
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,879
think that was is a possibility that he

814
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:16,960
never actually went to tibet but that he

815
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,919
was

816
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:19,760
through consciousness trained i'm just

817
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,320
raising this as a question i i

818
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:24,079
appreciate that and and you're

819
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:27,280
absolutely right in in the sense that

820
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:29,599
it is perfectly possible for people

821
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:30,879
out of body

822
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:32,000
to

823
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,800
and receive information and i believe

824
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,639
for instance based on the

825
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:40,639
confirmations information coming from

826
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:44,320
benjamin graham um that

827
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:47,359
bertie spalding famous author of the

828
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,960
life and teaching of the masters of the

829
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:51,040
far east

830
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,560
first first

831
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:55,440
volume was published in 1924

832
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:56,639
that

833
00:35:02,310 --> 00:34:59,839
his story was based on out of body

834
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:02,320
experiences could you mention the author

835
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:04,640
author again i didn't quite catch that

836
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,400
fair baird t spalding alberti spalding

837
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:10,560
okay yes

838
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,440
and that's one example uh and i as you

839
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:15,200
mentioned before you know the journey to

840
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:18,079
tibet was

841
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,520
um

842
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:22,000
very difficult to say the least it was

843
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:24,560
an arduous journey

844
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,240
in those days no airplanes no good roads

845
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:30,720
no helicopters

846
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:33,599
no trains we're talking about walking

847
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:36,480
for very long periods of time in an area

848
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,920
well it wasn't like you could just stop

849
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:39,680
off at mcdonald's and have a hamburger

850
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,119
and keep on walking

851
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:43,280
or even you know

852
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,160
ro a

853
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:46,640
roadside t-stall or something right you

854
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:50,400
have vast areas uninhabited and and

855
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:52,079
very very

856
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,880
hostile uh often to human habitation yes

857
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:58,720
yes um

858
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:01,680
there are actually however uh examples

859
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,359
of um authors who have

860
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:07,680
um

861
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:11,359
who were able to to penetrate into tibet

862
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:13,760
several of the uh madame blavansky is

863
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:15,280
one of them

864
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,079
there's a marvelous biography written by

865
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:20,640
sylvia cranston

866
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:23,200
and if you talk about research you know

867
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,560
and and referencing facts

868
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:29,280
that is a prime example it's a it's a

869
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:31,520
very very big

870
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,760
biography but

871
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,760
hundreds and hundreds of pages but it's

872
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:37,520
a page turner it's an absolute page

873
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,760
learner and i recommend it to anyone who

874
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:41,920
wants to know more about blavatsky's

875
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:45,760
life and work and influence

876
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:48,160
but he was one who who made it into the

877
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:50,240
bet which was in the 19th century as a

878
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:54,640
rather young young woman i remember

879
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:56,720
there's um

880
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:00,079
uh mcdonald bane a scottish doctor

881
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,320
physician um

882
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:04,880
divinator if that's a word

883
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:07,440
he studied the divinities and he was a

884
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:08,400
healer

885
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:12,480
and he made it into tibet in 1938 and he

886
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:13,680
spent

887
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,079
months if not a year with the masters

888
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:18,240
there to be trained and studied with

889
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:19,200
them

890
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:21,839
and we have the case of dr

891
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:22,800
ralph

892
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,240
rolfe alexander the author of

893
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:28,079
in the american edition is called

894
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:29,760
creative realism

895
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:30,800
um

896
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:34,079
i think it was published in 56 1956 and

897
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:36,640
he became known because of his mental

898
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:38,800
cloud busting techniques

899
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:41,119
and he also describes

900
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:42,720
no he doesn't really describe that he

901
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:45,040
hints at and he he gives some some

902
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,200
information in his early books in the

903
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:49,440
early editions of his books

904
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:51,839
about having traveled to tibet

905
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:54,640
and uh being taught there the techniques

906
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:57,680
that that he then explained in his books

907
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,160
um the role of alexander by the way

908
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:02,160
is i don't know if you've heard of him

909
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,520
no i have not

910
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:05,280
the british edition of that book

911
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:08,320
creative realism was called uh the power

912
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:10,960
of the mind

913
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,520
and he was present at one point um

914
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:17,680
during with

915
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:19,359
general marshall

916
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:22,960
um of the marshall plan fame uh second

917
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:27,040
world war um when general marshall told

918
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:28,640
him what was it again

919
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:32,400
um i think it had to do with roswell

920
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:35,119
oh wow entirely sure anymore uh but it

921
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,160
was something to do with the

922
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:37,839
extraterrestrial presence

923
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:40,160
uh so general marshall was uh was aware

924
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:43,280
of that in and they discussed it with uh

925
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:44,800
with

926
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:47,200
rolf alexander well this this is very

927
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:48,560
interesting because

928
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:50,720
as our audience the people who are in

929
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:54,320
their 70s 80s and 90s will remember

930
00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:57,280
the marshall plan wasn't it's a normal

931
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:59,920
enormous project to rebuild western

932
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:01,839
europe which had been destroyed by the

933
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:05,119
second world war in which perhaps 70 to

934
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:06,880
90 million people

935
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,079
perished around the planet and

936
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,000
he was

937
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,079
so powerful that i believe he actually

938
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:16,400
was offered the position of supreme

939
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:19,040
commander of united states armed forces

940
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:22,480
and he turned it down uh because uh his

941
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:23,440
uh

942
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:30,960
the war years and not be the supreme

943
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:33,839
commander so he was very well connected

944
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:37,760
and uh you know that marshall plan was a

945
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:39,760
enormous success

946
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:43,200
and so having a conversation uh

947
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:45,280
between a contact d or researcher of

948
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,079
contacting someone of that power

949
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:50,320
is is of significance

950
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,200
we're going to go to a break in about 15

951
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:55,599
minutes i'd like to take care of some

952
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:57,040
housekeeping for those people who are

953
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:58,720
just tuning in

954
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:00,880
i'm interviewing uh

955
00:40:08,310 --> 00:40:04,960
gerard artson he's an author lecturer uh

956
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,320
and uh he's uh studied the work of the

957
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,480
isotopic masters

958
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:12,720
as well as the new age philosophies that

959
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:15,920
have a resounding effect still on uh

960
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:19,920
the ufo scene today and we're going to

961
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:22,400
be continuing our discussion but first

962
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:24,240
i'd like to tell you something about the

963
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964
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965
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966
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967
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968
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969
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970
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971
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:43,280
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972
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973
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974
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:50,000
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00:41:04,150 --> 00:40:57,720
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981
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1018
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,280
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1019
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:37,920
house keeping in the next 10 minutes or

1020
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,200
so let's explore how this new age

1021
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:43,920
philosophy has had an impact on modern

1022
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,119
ufology and this is something that you

1023
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:49,200
know i find fascinating because

1024
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,560
um

1025
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:52,560
in my mid-40s i

1026
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:54,880
had no knowledge or i should say early

1027
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:56,960
40s i had no knowledge about these

1028
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:00,319
subjects and i was recruited into a ufo

1029
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:03,440
contact team by dr stephen greer and all

1030
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,079
of a sudden i found myself meditating

1031
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,640
taking hikes in in the remote regions of

1032
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:10,319
the high desert looking for research

1033
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,280
site to try to attack ufos and i heard

1034
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:15,280
the names of adamski

1035
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,560
and uh the founder of the theosophy her

1036
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:20,960
name was madame how do you say the name

1037
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:23,200
blavatsky

1038
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:26,079
and so the the information this sort of

1039
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:30,240
eastern mystical uh influence has had an

1040
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:33,760
uh impact on western society well even

1041
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:34,880
in the post

1042
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,079
uh world war ii and hippie day era where

1043
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:40,560
many people the beatles for example

1044
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,680
studied eastern philosophy meditation uh

1045
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,760
there and there was a definite influence

1046
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:47,359
on their music

1047
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:48,240
with the

1048
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:51,680
uh great sitar player ravi shankar so

1049
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:54,720
there have been during the last 100 120

1050
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:57,839
years there have been wave after wave of

1051
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:00,480
eastern mystical teachings breaking

1052
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:02,720
through the the

1053
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:05,119
walls the fortress of western

1054
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:07,359
materialism

1055
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,240
and uh giving enlightenment to people uh

1056
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,560
and so i found myself meditating and

1057
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:14,560
studying the works of of the people that

1058
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:17,680
were discussing uh even so briefly uh

1059
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:19,760
but knowing that there was this eastern

1060
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,790
yes you mentioned you call it the

1061
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,880
mystical teachings

1062
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,000
and

1063
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:32,319
if i think if you if you would read

1064
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:34,880
the works by blavatsky and alice bailey

1065
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,240
and benjamin cram you would find little

1066
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,560
mysticism in it

1067
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:42,960
there's many people who follow them or

1068
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:48,710
took parts of their teachings their

1069
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,760
books and developed their own approach

1070
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,040
to it

1071
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:55,599
most of which it would be called i would

1072
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:58,400
call mystical but the original teachings

1073
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:01,040
in the original books

1074
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,560
are very practical mysticism doesn't

1075
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:06,960
especially to the western mind doesn't

1076
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:07,839
doesn't

1077
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:10,640
ring a practical bell but

1078
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,200
the the the teachings that we're

1079
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:15,920
discussing here that i've been studying

1080
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:18,880
that adamski studied on you know during

1081
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,440
his his time in tibet are really very

1082
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,359
practical they help you

1083
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:25,920
accomplish things they help you control

1084
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,560
your lower nature they help you deal

1085
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:30,720
with everyday life in a way that would

1086
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,319
otherwise

1087
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:35,040
be you know perhaps too stressful or

1088
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,040
would lead to burnout and i'm not saying

1089
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,280
that you know you're guaranteed a

1090
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:41,520
lifetime without burnout if you read

1091
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,040
these teachings but the the secret is in

1092
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:47,440
in applying the teachings i mean you can

1093
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,680
read a library full of of genuine books

1094
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,760
but without application in your daily

1095
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:56,160
life nothing will happen so they're

1096
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:57,920
actually they should be seen as very

1097
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,720
practical very practical books now when

1098
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:02,000
i when i

1099
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:03,760
let's talk a little bit about mysticism

1100
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,960
because

1101
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:06,720
that word is thrown around a lot my

1102
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:08,960
understanding as mysticism involves

1103
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:11,040
acquisition of knowledge that doesn't

1104
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:15,760
necessarily come from um a book or or

1105
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,079
studying in the library or attending a

1106
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:20,960
lecture mysticism is uh knowledge or

1107
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,119
information that's acquired uh through

1108
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:25,599
intuition through uh

1109
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:29,520
uh interactions with perhaps non-human

1110
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,160
intelligences who directly transmit

1111
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:34,240
their teachings into the consciousness

1112
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:37,040
of the experiencer is um could you talk

1113
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:39,040
about what mystism means to you because

1114
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,720
i suspect a lot of people in the

1115
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,880
audience like me throw the word around a

1116
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:44,800
lot but don't necessarily have a good

1117
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:47,280
feel for what it involves yeah well for

1118
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:48,880
me personally

1119
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:52,000
a mystic is someone who's engaged

1120
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:55,119
involved in finding out more about their

1121
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:56,640
own reality

1122
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:57,520
and

1123
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:01,280
trying to penetrate the realms of of

1124
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:02,560
consciousness

1125
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,000
uh that you know that go beyond our

1126
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,560
day-to-day conscience consciousness

1127
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:10,720
um and they're not necessarily the most

1128
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:13,280
practical people you know mystics in my

1129
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:16,240
mind you find in monasteries on mountain

1130
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:19,520
tops or or the the bottom of trees you

1131
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,880
know the the

1132
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:22,160
underneath trees

1133
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,640
the people introverted people they they

1134
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:26,000
look and there's nothing wrong with

1135
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:28,880
being i'm an introvert myself

1136
00:47:34,550 --> 00:47:31,680
but what

1137
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:34,560
what what is important to me is that

1138
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:37,440
mysticism isn't

1139
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,880
of much use in our current world the

1140
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:42,880
world is screaming

1141
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:43,760
for

1142
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:49,680
we cannot save the world

1143
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,720
by

1144
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:53,520
turning inward and and and

1145
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:55,920
you know building our own inward

1146
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:59,280
inner world uh without applying as i

1147
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,400
just mentioned uh any of that in our in

1148
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,640
our daily lives if we

1149
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:06,960
understand that

1150
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:09,440
you know peace comes from within from an

1151
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,160
inner transformation then we then have

1152
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,030
show that make it practical in our daily

1153
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:19,680
lives and once we do that we're not

1154
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:21,680
mystical anymore then we're turning it

1155
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,359
outward what we've learned

1156
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:25,920
inwardly we turn outward we give it into

1157
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:29,200
the world we we show it we we give the

1158
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:32,400
right example we we teach by example we

1159
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:35,200
don't try to ram things down people's

1160
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:37,359
throats but we show them through our

1161
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,960
example um how we how we deal with with

1162
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:42,800
a certain situation with political

1163
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:50,150
you know all kinds of situations uh

1164
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:52,960
that other people might storm in and

1165
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,839
start you know using their fists or or

1166
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:57,599
or shouting or

1167
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:01,520
uh or running away from um and so that

1168
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:03,760
for me the the importance is in that

1169
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,160
distinction between the mystic who is

1170
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:08,160
learning about themselves in the best

1171
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:09,200
cases

1172
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:12,880
um and the practical mystic let's call

1173
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,839
the person who has attained a certain

1174
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,000
you know certain insights in in

1175
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:20,880
themselves and in in the in a reality of

1176
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:22,000
life

1177
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,640
this is this is a very moral position uh

1178
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,720
that you're describing and

1179
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:30,480
you know my background was very

1180
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:32,720
different and i grew up in the political

1181
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:33,599
left

1182
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,640
um marxist and no attention whatsoever

1183
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:41,200
to these issues and as i became more

1184
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:43,119
mature and i realized

1185
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,440
the terrible damage that communism has

1186
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,280
done all around the world

1187
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:49,440
uh even though people in my family were

1188
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:52,160
part of those movements i was never a

1189
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:53,920
member of the communist party but there

1190
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:56,000
were people in my family who were

1191
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,280
and i realized that um

1192
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,160
the major failing of the soviet state

1193
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:05,119
and the entire philosophy of marxism was

1194
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,160
that it completely abandoned the wisdom

1195
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:10,640
traditions and religions that had given

1196
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:12,559
us some very practical

1197
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:14,960
uh instructions about living

1198
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:17,200
and basically the marxists lived in a

1199
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:20,240
world of their in their heads dreaming

1200
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:22,960
of this classless society but when it

1201
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:25,520
came to actual action they committed all

1202
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:29,520
kinds of crimes and atrocities uh and so

1203
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:32,319
at as when i reached my 40s and the

1204
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:35,200
former soviet union fell apart as was

1205
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,760
destined to do because it was really

1206
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:39,520
rotting from the inside i had traveled

1207
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,480
to russia

1208
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:42,960
in the 80s and saw you know that people

1209
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:45,440
over there they talked about marxism but

1210
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:47,920
no one actually understood it because it

1211
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:50,000
was all corrupt it was all power

1212
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:51,520
politics

1213
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:53,839
and so i turned inward

1214
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:55,920
and when i joined the contact movement i

1215
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,319
started meditating and i had spiritual

1216
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,400
experiences and acquired spiritual

1217
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,800
knowledge uh as well as communication

1218
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:04,960
with extraterrestrials so i have to say

1219
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:08,160
that i'm very sympathetic uh to the

1220
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:09,359
writings of

1221
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:12,640
of these pioneers that trying to bring

1222
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:15,119
ancient knowledge into our culture

1223
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,720
because there is something very

1224
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:19,200
important going on here and for me

1225
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,079
personally uh it was very exciting to

1226
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:24,480
make contact with non-human intelligence

1227
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:25,599
but also

1228
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:26,960
in order to

1229
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:29,119
facilitate those communications i had to

1230
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,839
go inside and learn more about myself

1231
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:33,760
and recently i came up with a statement

1232
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,240
that describes my journey by saying the

1233
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:37,920
following

1234
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:40,400
we must look inside

1235
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:43,119
to experience transformation

1236
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:44,960
in the formless realm

1237
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:46,160
and become

1238
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:47,440
the person

1239
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,079
the change we want to see in the world

1240
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:54,480
so we have to look inside to experience

1241
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:57,680
transformation to become the person we

1242
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:59,119
become the change we want to see in the

1243
00:52:02,829 --> 00:52:01,680
world and we look outside

1244
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:02,839
in the world of

1245
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:05,440
form not the formless realm of

1246
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:07,599
consciousness but the world of form to

1247
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,079
find the kindred act of the souls to

1248
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:12,480
actually change the external world so

1249
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:14,480
this dynamic between

1250
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:19,670
discovery enlightenment spiritual

1251
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,680
journey and then

1252
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:23,520
taking that knowledge and applying it to

1253
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:24,880
the big picture

1254
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:27,280
is the way that we can

1255
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:29,839
make the radical reforms necessary in

1256
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:32,640
order to preserve our civilization so i

1257
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:34,400
i very much although i was trained as a

1258
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:37,200
materialist and i was a medical doctor

1259
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:40,160
for 40 years i'm i still have a license

1260
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,880
i just basically uh treat family and

1261
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:44,480
friends and give out free medical advice

1262
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:47,040
and keep my my license going

1263
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,400
so i can

1264
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,720
first write prescriptions

1265
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:52,720
for myself and my wife

1266
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:55,040
who live in a kind of remote area in

1267
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,880
northern california doctors get to write

1268
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:58,559
prescriptions for themselves not

1269
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:00,400
controlled substances but

1270
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:03,520
and and so i keep my uh doctor work uh

1271
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:04,400
going

1272
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:05,839
and uh

1273
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:08,240
you know i found uh these teachings not

1274
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:11,760
only helpful uh in terms of uh

1275
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:12,559
my

1276
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:14,960
philosophical but these teachings also

1277
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,680
helped me to become a better physician

1278
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:19,680
too and i had

1279
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:22,640
mystical experiences or

1280
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,359
actually involved in my medical work

1281
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:27,280
where i was given information and

1282
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:29,200
directed to do certain things in

1283
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:31,440
retrospect i couldn't understand what

1284
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:33,920
had happened why i went to a patient's

1285
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:37,680
room uh to to check on a lab test that

1286
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:40,559
was totally normal and then there was a

1287
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:41,520
woman

1288
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:44,000
who was the roommate of the patient who

1289
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,920
i had consistent who right in front of

1290
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:47,920
me had a cardiac arrest and i was able

1291
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:50,559
to resuscitate her uh with a precordial

1292
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,520
thumb so i felt that because of my inner

1293
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:55,680
journey i had acquired certain

1294
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:58,400
psy tech skills that allowed me to help

1295
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,760
my patients

1296
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:01,680
so we're going to go to a breakdown in

1297
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:03,440
just a few seconds just to remind the

1298
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:04,800
audience you're listening to epic

1299
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:07,760
voyages please stay tuned the commercial

1300
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:09,040
break will last several minutes and

1301
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:11,680
we'll be back with our guest gerald

1302
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:14,960
artson talking about the philosophy and

1303
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:17,280
activities of the uh

1304
00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:19,920
early contactees my name is dr joseph

1305
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:22,310
burks stay tuned

1306
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:23,680
[Music]

1307
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,200
good evening

1308
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,119
thank you for staying online for those

1309
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:30,160
people uh who are just tuning in

1310
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:32,640
um you're listening to epic voyages on

1311
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:35,040
the accept on the inception radio

1312
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:36,640
network

1313
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:39,119
my name is dr joseph burks i'm your uh

1314
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:41,040
host to that tonight

1315
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:43,760
and uh we have with us all the way from

1316
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:48,000
holland mr gerard artson who is an

1317
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:49,760
author a lecturer

1318
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:53,520
as well as a instructor in english

1319
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:56,400
for secondary school

1320
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:59,520
teachers in his native holland

1321
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:02,160
we're talking about the experiences of

1322
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:05,599
the contactees from the 1950s the

1323
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:08,240
theosophy and the new age philosophies

1324
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:10,400
that have such a impact

1325
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:14,079
to this day on what is called ufology uh

1326
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,000
gerard are you still with us

1327
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:18,720
hello joseph yes i'm still here oh great

1328
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:19,599
okay

1329
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,200
so uh let's let's continue our dialogue

1330
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:25,440
i had mentioned just before the break

1331
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:27,680
uh that um

1332
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:32,160
iowa came from a left-wing background uh

1333
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:34,800
we were i wouldn't say atheists but

1334
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:36,400
highly agnostic

1335
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:40,079
uh we'd make the joke in our family uh

1336
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:41,200
uh

1337
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:43,520
an agnostic is an atheist who's not

1338
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:46,640
quite sure there is no god and uh and

1339
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,040
then then we would pray to our atheist

1340
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:50,880
god in atheist heaven when things were

1341
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:51,839
really

1342
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:53,040
troubling us

1343
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:55,119
so so let's talk a little bit about karl

1344
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:57,440
marx because you just shared with me uh

1345
00:56:02,470 --> 00:55:59,920
a fascinating uh statement which i had

1346
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:02,480
never heard uh that marks according to

1347
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:05,599
some of these uh esoteric authors and

1348
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:08,720
channels and masters was a disciple of

1349
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:10,799
jesus is that correct

1350
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:14,000
um this is coming from benjamin kram who

1351
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:15,119
was

1352
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:18,240
who worked with a master of the wisdom

1353
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:20,480
since 1959

1354
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:21,680
um

1355
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,559
and

1356
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,000
um

1357
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:27,119
when you when you uh segued into

1358
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,079
your your left wing background and i i

1359
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:31,920
consider myself of a you know left-wing

1360
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:34,000
background i was very much

1361
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:34,880
a

1362
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:43,520
for enlightenment when i first went to

1363
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:45,040
india

1364
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,559
but but remarkably um if i can if i can

1365
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:51,119
just share this

1366
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,280
about six months after my return from

1367
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:55,359
india

1368
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:57,200
i woke up i was still living with my

1369
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,480
parents i was

1370
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,480
you know doing uh i was working in a

1371
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:02,559
paper mill to earn money for my next

1372
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:05,040
journey my next trip i was living with

1373
00:57:10,030 --> 00:57:06,240
my parents

1374
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:10,040
and one morning in august

1375
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:15,200
1978 i woke up with the total absolute

1376
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:17,520
conviction knowledge certainty that the

1377
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:24,069
i was raised a catholic fair enough but

1378
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,040
you know since my 14th

1379
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,520
since i was 14 i never went back to

1380
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:31,599
church because my voice had broken and i

1381
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:34,720
couldn't sing in the boys choir anymore

1382
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:37,440
you know church had lost its uh

1383
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:38,240
field

1384
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:40,880
the thrill was gone as they say exactly

1385
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:41,760
yes

1386
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:44,880
um so you know and and i was i was

1387
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:47,680
interested in in social

1388
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:49,599
activism

1389
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:51,839
looking for solutions to social

1390
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:53,040
injustice

1391
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:56,319
um in most of the time you know

1392
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,799
left-wing parties but i explored you

1393
00:58:01,829 --> 00:58:00,720
know everything from the from the right

1394
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:01,839
to the left

1395
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:05,280
and then i was waking up with this solid

1396
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:06,559
knowledge

1397
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:09,280
crisis back in the world and i had no

1398
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:12,319
recollection of a dream not of a vision

1399
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:13,920
nothing whatsoever i just couldn't

1400
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:16,480
explain it and i was filled to the brim

1401
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:18,880
with joy i just could not explain it i

1402
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:22,720
was beyond myself with joy and i had no

1403
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:25,040
idea where it came from

1404
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:27,920
and it wasn't until two months later i

1405
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:31,839
read an interview in a new age magazine

1406
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:33,280
first interview

1407
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,559
outside the uk with benjamin cram who

1408
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:38,720
was the first time i heard of him and he

1409
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:40,960
was from he was from britain right yes

1410
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:43,200
he's he was in london at the time he's

1411
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:44,880
lived in london he's lived in london

1412
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:47,680
since 14 1946 i believe he's a

1413
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:52,470
but he became better known through his

1414
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:53,920
work

1415
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:55,520
you know as an esotericist and

1416
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:58,160
futurologist a writer speaker

1417
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:01,200
about his mission um so and in his in

1418
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:02,720
his

1419
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:05,839
interview he explained what was going on

1420
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:08,160
in the world uh he updated the

1421
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:11,520
information from alice bailey in in the

1422
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:14,400
you know the 19 books that she'd written

1423
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:19,040
for her master between 1919 and 1949 and

1424
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:21,200
benjamin graham announced that it was he

1425
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:23,680
had been asked to inform the world that

1426
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:25,520
the christ was coming back not as a

1427
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:27,520
religious figure not as someone that

1428
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:29,119
people should

1429
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:32,079
turn to as you know as a creator as a

1430
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:34,799
god but as a teacher a teacher

1431
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:36,640
especially in terms of social justice

1432
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:38,960
but also in terms of you know the art of

1433
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:41,119
self realization etc

1434
00:59:44,829 --> 00:59:43,119
and maybe we can talk about that a bit

1435
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:44,839
more later

1436
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:46,559
um and

1437
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:49,520
uh in one of his many books since then

1438
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:52,160
benjamin cram has shared the information

1439
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:54,559
that the social justice movements like

1440
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:56,559
the labor movement and the suffragette

1441
01:00:02,230 --> 00:59:57,839
movement

1442
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:02,240
the master jesus

1443
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:04,799
most people will know the name jesus as

1444
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:07,440
you know the the individualist of

1445
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:10,000
being jesus christ in the new testament

1446
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:12,240
but in fact according to the teachings

1447
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,119
jesus was a disciple of the christ

1448
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:17,280
the christ being the christian title a

1449
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:18,960
more generic title would be the world

1450
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:20,000
teacher

1451
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:21,359
who worked

1452
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:22,240
by

1453
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:23,359
um

1454
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:25,680
not you know it's not channeling but

1455
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:27,839
it's telepathic overshadowing of the

1456
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:29,440
consciousness of the the greater

1457
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:32,000
consciousness um by the greater

1458
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:34,079
conscience of a smaller consciousness in

1459
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:37,520
this case the disciple jesus between the

1460
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:39,440
the baptism in the river jordan and the

1461
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:43,119
crucifixion that's when jesus became

1462
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:46,160
the vehicle for the christ if you will

1463
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:48,000
this is all according to the ages wisdom

1464
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,280
teachings

1465
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:51,680
very similar to how

1466
01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:53,200
prince gautama

1467
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:55,839
became the vehicle for the buddha

1468
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:58,000
from the moment of his enlightenment

1469
01:01:01,910 --> 01:00:59,760
underneath the bodhi tree and that's

1470
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:01,920
when he started his mission teaching

1471
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:04,240
buddhism what became buddhism this now

1472
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:06,640
this this stool consciousness of the

1473
01:01:11,109 --> 01:01:09,040
great teachers is something that i've

1474
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:11,119
run across in terms of the work of joe

1475
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:13,520
mcgonagall um you perhaps are familiar

1476
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:16,240
with he was a sergeant in the

1477
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:18,720
u.s military and became a champion

1478
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:20,240
remote viewer

1479
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:23,200
and one of the books he wrote

1480
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:24,720
envisioned it was called the ultimate

1481
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:26,240
time machine

1482
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:28,720
in which he described future earth

1483
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:31,119
civilization in the year 3000 but i

1484
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:32,799
believe as part of that book although it

1485
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:35,359
might have been uh mine trek his earlier

1486
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:38,240
work he was given uh uh

1487
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:41,200
um to remote view an individual

1488
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:44,000
and the way the remote viewing protocols

1489
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:47,680
worked is uh information would be uh put

1490
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:48,559
in a

1491
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:52,720
would be able to

1492
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:53,920
to actually

1493
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:55,119
visualize

1494
01:02:01,990 --> 01:01:59,760
was but he would use his psychic ability

1495
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:02,000
to do so

1496
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:07,280
so what what we see is uh um psychics

1497
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:09,359
being given the task in this case it was

1498
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:12,240
joe mcgonagall who was a uh champion

1499
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:14,079
remote viewer worked for the united

1500
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:16,160
states intelligence services and project

1501
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:18,319
stargate he was given the target to

1502
01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:20,880
remote view

1503
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:22,960
jesus of nazareth

1504
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:25,440
and at lowe's we know that pros need to

1505
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:28,559
be ready ready to roll felt ready to cap

1506
01:02:33,030 --> 01:02:30,880
ready to shingle and during lowe's ready

1507
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:33,040
to raise the roof event pro customers

1508
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:35,520
should get ready to save big with up to

1509
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:38,000
20 percent on gaf shingles every day

1510
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:39,839
when they buy in bulk plus now through

1511
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:42,480
july 16th at lowe's pros can save up to

1512
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:44,880
20 percent off select hitachi nailers

1513
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:47,200
compressors and power tools see the pro

1514
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:49,440
desk in store for details shingle offer

1515
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:51,280
applies to contractor packs selection

1516
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:54,079
varies by store us only

1517
01:02:57,030 --> 01:02:56,079
he of course was not told this was the

1518
01:02:59,109 --> 01:02:57,040
target

1519
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,119
the information was locked in a vault

1520
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:01,440
and what he described was a being uh

1521
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:05,200
that had a dual aspect um that on one on

1522
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:07,599
one hand it was an ordinary individual a

1523
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:10,000
human being but on the other hand there

1524
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:13,200
was this other consciousness that was

1525
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:14,640
uh

1526
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:17,839
shall we say celestial in nature and was

1527
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:20,160
transmitting to jesus the the

1528
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:22,079
information and knowledge that he needed

1529
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:24,640
so this dual aspect of the consciousness

1530
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:27,920
of great teachers is something that uh

1531
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:29,760
in terms of joe

1532
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:31,760
remote viewing experiences is is

1533
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,079
corroborated and and then he went on to

1534
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:36,480
remote he went on to remote view others

1535
01:03:42,390 --> 01:03:38,720
as well and he described for the buddha

1536
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:42,400
i believe and and other uh uh historical

1537
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:44,880
religious figures this dual aspect of

1538
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:46,720
consciousness uh

1539
01:03:49,829 --> 01:03:48,000
and one of the things that was so

1540
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:49,839
impressive was the being that was

1541
01:03:54,630 --> 01:03:51,599
celestial in nature

1542
01:03:56,309 --> 01:03:54,640
had a sense of humor and was very joyous

1543
01:03:59,589 --> 01:03:56,319
and so when you describe the sense of

1544
01:04:02,630 --> 01:03:59,599
joy that when you had a realization that

1545
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:02,640
christ was back you know i think uh that

1546
01:04:09,029 --> 01:04:06,240
there is this um element to uh christ

1547
01:04:11,910 --> 01:04:09,039
consciousness or spiritual development

1548
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:11,920
that can bring out just tremendous joy

1549
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:12,960
in people

1550
01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:15,280
because it allows us to basically

1551
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:17,599
transcend our individuality and become

1552
01:04:21,430 --> 01:04:20,400
part of some basically all that there is

1553
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:21,440
uh

1554
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:23,599
yes well i think you put that

1555
01:04:27,029 --> 01:04:25,680
there's a very accurate way of putting

1556
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:27,039
it

1557
01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:28,079
and

1558
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:31,119
that i think is also the essence of the

1559
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:33,520
evolution of consciousness which is

1560
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:36,160
really the path of return

1561
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:38,319
that every single

1562
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:41,039
human being is engaged in you know some

1563
01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:43,280
people are have have been traveling the

1564
01:04:48,390 --> 01:04:45,839
path longer than others

1565
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:48,400
so they've they've come closer and in

1566
01:04:53,589 --> 01:04:50,000
this case like the example i was

1567
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:53,599
describing a disciple like jesus was

1568
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:54,960
almost

1569
01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:56,799
there in terms of

1570
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:58,400
his his

1571
01:05:03,430 --> 01:05:01,359
his individual

1572
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:03,440
point of evolution where

1573
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:06,000
where he could be overshadowed by an

1574
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:08,240
entity such as the world teacher the

1575
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:09,280
christ

1576
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:12,559
and since his mission in palestine the

1577
01:05:17,589 --> 01:05:15,039
jesus in his next incarnation as

1578
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:17,599
apollonius of tiana became a master in

1579
01:05:20,789 --> 01:05:19,039
his own right

1580
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:20,799
you know so

1581
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,799
since then um

1582
01:05:26,549 --> 01:05:24,480
i don't know how

1583
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:26,559
maybe within a hundred years after his

1584
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:29,359
uh his death on the cross in in

1585
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:30,960
in

1586
01:05:34,630 --> 01:05:32,240
israel

1587
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:34,640
palestine sorry um

1588
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:36,480
he he became a master

1589
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:39,359
and you know some of the masters move on

1590
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:42,400
to higher planets higher systems for you

1591
01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:44,880
know to evolve uh beyond

1592
01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:47,359
things that we have no we cannot even

1593
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:48,319
imagine

1594
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:50,880
but many of the masters stay on earth to

1595
01:05:55,990 --> 01:05:53,599
help and help humanity oversee our

1596
01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:56,000
evolution to inspire us

1597
01:06:01,910 --> 01:05:58,319
and so the master jesus is very much

1598
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:01,920
involved with humanity and and

1599
01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:04,880
inspired not only the

1600
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:07,200
the the social justice movements of the

1601
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:09,920
late 19th early 20th century

1602
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:12,000
but karl marx according to the

1603
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:13,359
information coming from benjamin

1604
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:14,720
graham's master

1605
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:18,319
was a disciple of of the master jesus i

1606
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:21,680
think so and and that's why if i may uh

1607
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:23,839
when you when you said before the break

1608
01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:26,079
uh that i was taking a moral position i

1609
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:27,280
was thinking

1610
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:29,839
marx karl marx took a very moral

1611
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:33,440
position in not accepting uh you know

1612
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:37,359
the the inequality in in society

1613
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:38,480
and

1614
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,280
setting out a system for social justice

1615
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:43,280
even if his followers

1616
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:45,119
failed um

1617
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:48,000
in the most part to put it into practice

1618
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:51,200
but the same can be said for all almost

1619
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:53,680
all of the religious teachings

1620
01:06:58,829 --> 01:06:56,720
for sure many not many of the religious

1621
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:58,839
teachings from the from the

1622
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:01,359
teachers i'm not talking about the dogma

1623
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:04,799
because the dogma came in when people

1624
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:06,160
try to

1625
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:08,319
perpetuate the teachings and then you

1626
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:11,839
know power play came into play and

1627
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:13,599
the power structures

1628
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:16,000
and that's where we go religion religion

1629
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:18,400
is used as an instrument of power

1630
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:20,880
rather than as a path for spiritual

1631
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,200
development and creating an enlightened

1632
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:25,680
just society i you know reminds me of

1633
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:26,480
the

1634
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:28,400
expression that i learned when i joined

1635
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:31,440
the contact network and that was that

1636
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:32,880
god gave

1637
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:35,839
humanity spirituality and then the devil

1638
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:38,960
organized it as religion

1639
01:07:44,150 --> 01:07:41,680
it's it's it's an old it's an old joke

1640
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:44,160
actually that goes back to uh dear

1641
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:45,680
christian murti who came out of the

1642
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:47,520
theosophical society

1643
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:48,799
and um

1644
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:50,720
i was just thinking of him uh before the

1645
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:52,799
break i forget uh what triggered it but

1646
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:53,520
uh

1647
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:54,880
oh yeah

1648
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:56,720
he um

1649
01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:00,240
he he jedu krishnamurti uh talked about

1650
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:02,160
the only revolution the only real

1651
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:05,039
revolution that can take place is

1652
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:08,640
in inside ourselves and once we have

1653
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:10,640
realized that we

1654
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:12,720
you know that we

1655
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:16,319
what we do in the world has an effect um

1656
01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:18,880
then you know we should try to the best

1657
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:21,040
of our ability to

1658
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:23,600
uh to build work towards right human

1659
01:08:27,749 --> 01:08:25,600
relations and

1660
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:27,759
put into practice what we realize

1661
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:30,239
inwardly and of course this ties in

1662
01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:33,600
directly with uh with the need for for

1663
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:36,080
social justice and the message of of the

1664
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:38,319
contactees that the early contactees

1665
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:40,400
were given because that's just stunning

1666
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:42,880
you said you say you've been reading my

1667
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:44,319
book priorities for a planet in

1668
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:46,960
transition and i when i go back to it i

1669
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:49,440
still can't believe the amount of

1670
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:52,880
information the degree of of accuracy to

1671
01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:54,400
which they describe the current

1672
01:08:58,870 --> 01:08:56,799
situation in the world you know that's

1673
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:58,880
right that i was i was very impressed

1674
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:01,040
because they didn't just talk about the

1675
01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:03,679
nuclear arms race which was uh

1676
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:06,080
you know a terrible

1677
01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:08,400
crime against humanity not only in terms

1678
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:09,440
of

1679
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:12,560
detonating nuclear weapons and children

1680
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:14,480
i was just a child when i was growing up

1681
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:17,600
in the 1950s and there was strontium 90

1682
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:19,920
being deposited in the deciduous teeth

1683
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:21,679
of children

1684
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:23,600
from these nuclear tests i'm not talking

1685
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:26,640
about hiroshima size nuclear weapons the

1686
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:29,279
russians at one point detonated a a

1687
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:31,920
nuclear weapon in the 1960s that was i

1688
01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:36,080
believe 62 megatons in siberia 62

1689
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:40,080
million tons of tnt equivalent it was

1690
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:42,880
you know something like 2 000 times the

1691
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:46,159
the strength of or more it was more like

1692
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:48,480
20 000 times the strength of the

1693
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:50,719
original of nuclear bombs that went off

1694
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:54,480
in hiroshima and nagasaki and so

1695
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:56,719
people were very much concerned

1696
01:10:02,229 --> 01:09:59,520
including the original contactees like

1697
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:02,239
abdansky and donald fry but in the

1698
01:10:07,990 --> 01:10:05,040
writings that i um

1699
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:08,000
were able to review in your book the one

1700
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:09,840
that you mentioned uh which i'm still

1701
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:11,760
reading and you know i find it very

1702
01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:12,960
interesting

1703
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:15,199
one one of the they also addressed

1704
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:17,360
ecology they addressed the need for

1705
01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:19,360
social justice in terms of ending the

1706
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:22,400
extremes of wealth now those issues

1707
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:24,880
could could be taken from the headlines

1708
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:28,239
uh of of modern politics and so you know

1709
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:30,560
that broad vision was something i was

1710
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:34,080
not aware of and partly because of the

1711
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:34,960
um

1712
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:36,640
inaccurate information i think you use

1713
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:39,120
the word slander uh but certainly

1714
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:40,800
inaccurate information about the early

1715
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:43,120
contactees so let's talk about some of

1716
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:45,920
their specific statements or or how they

1717
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:49,120
addressed uh these many issues uh before

1718
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:51,920
they became prominent uh

1719
01:10:57,270 --> 01:10:54,320
yes please um well

1720
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:57,280
you know for them it was

1721
01:11:02,070 --> 01:11:00,640
it wasn't quite as as urgent in the

1722
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:02,080
1950s

1723
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:04,880
the the question of social justice

1724
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:07,760
social injustice if you will um

1725
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:09,440
you know the inequality that we see in

1726
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:11,520
the world today wasn't quite as as

1727
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:14,080
obvious as it is today where

1728
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:15,520
individuals

1729
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:18,239
have been made to compete

1730
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:20,159
in order to make a living

1731
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:22,239
there's so many people now hundreds of

1732
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:24,719
thousands if not millions of people who

1733
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:27,760
need two or three jobs just to be able

1734
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:30,880
to afford the minimum the bare minimum

1735
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:35,120
of you know house rent or food etc

1736
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:37,280
and many people with a job

1737
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:39,840
have found themselves homeless it's a

1738
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:41,920
cut throat system

1739
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:43,600
that

1740
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:44,719
works

1741
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:47,280
it's based on competition and greed

1742
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:50,880
and i've through my study of of the

1743
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:53,280
information and the teachings from the

1744
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:55,040
the visitors

1745
01:12:00,070 --> 01:11:56,880
you you say you you're not quite sure

1746
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:00,080
about the et hypothesis uh for me that's

1747
01:12:05,189 --> 01:12:02,880
not a question um

1748
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:05,199
but in any case their teachings and

1749
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:07,600
their information show a tremendous

1750
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:08,560
insight

1751
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:12,000
as you know as early as the 1950s into

1752
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:13,120
what

1753
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:16,000
causes our problems and if you if you go

1754
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:16,960
to the

1755
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:22,000
it's our sense of separation right that

1756
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:25,679
sense of separation of you are you and

1757
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:28,159
me is me and i have to look after number

1758
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:31,040
one or else you know i might uh

1759
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:34,400
i might lose out uh in our competition

1760
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:38,239
for survival that is what what's causing

1761
01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:39,040
the

1762
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:42,560
enormous danger that we find ourselves

1763
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:44,560
in today um

1764
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:45,520
the

1765
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:52,960
building blocks of our society

1766
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:55,520
are tearing the world apart are creating

1767
01:13:01,750 --> 01:12:58,560
ever more tension and and and conflict

1768
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:01,760
and chaos to the point where you know we

1769
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:04,239
now find ourselves

1770
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:06,640
with a billionaire as the president of

1771
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:08,480
the united states

1772
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:11,120
claiming to speak for the people

1773
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:12,080
um

1774
01:13:17,669 --> 01:13:13,679
whereas

1775
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,149
ring the wealthy are parading their

1776
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:22,320
their wealth uh before the eyes of the

1777
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:25,600
poor uh as as the world teacher has uh

1778
01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:28,080
has been saying in one of his messages

1779
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:30,800
and it's just atrocious

1780
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:34,080
we've been you know humanity has held

1781
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:36,800
very high aspirations which

1782
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:40,159
uh came together in the united nations

1783
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:42,080
and the human uh

1784
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:43,760
the universal declaration of human

1785
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:45,920
rights which was ratified i believe in

1786
01:13:51,669 --> 01:13:49,199
1948 by all the then members of the

1787
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:51,679
united nations and i was i was very

1788
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:53,280
impressed that you included that

1789
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:55,760
information in the book uh because a lot

1790
01:13:59,910 --> 01:13:57,679
of people in the united states don't

1791
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:59,920
know about the economic bill of rights

1792
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:00,880
and the

1793
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:03,600
and i was i was active in bernie sanders

1794
01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:05,600
campaign and we supported him

1795
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:07,520
politically and financially in that and

1796
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:09,840
that failed campaign for the presidency

1797
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:12,640
uh nevertheless um

1798
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:14,960
those those teachings that we're talking

1799
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:17,360
about social justice that is part of all

1800
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:20,480
the wisdom traditions that struggle for

1801
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:22,719
peace and justice is still going on

1802
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:27,120
today and that's why i was very happy to

1803
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:29,199
see that you included the economic bill

1804
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:30,320
of rights

1805
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:31,120
as

1806
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:34,400
integrated into the the thinking and the

1807
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:36,560
experience of people living around the

1808
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:39,280
time of when these contactees adansky

1809
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:41,280
and donald fry and all the others were

1810
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:43,840
were active spreading the the message

1811
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:45,840
the good news as you would say if it's a

1812
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:47,520
secular religion then

1813
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:49,120
spreading the gospel

1814
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:51,120
and one of the things that impressed me

1815
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:52,719
that's part of the left

1816
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:54,560
was that it really was a secular

1817
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:56,880
religion there was no scientific reason

1818
01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:59,120
to believe that the working class would

1819
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:01,280
be empowered through a historical

1820
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:03,679
necessity to overco overthrow the

1821
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:06,159
capitalists and create a world of

1822
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:07,840
abundance

1823
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:10,080
it was it was totally a pseudo-science

1824
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:11,600
that's what's called scientific

1825
01:15:17,189 --> 01:15:14,640
socialism and in fact it did incorporate

1826
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:17,199
many christian principles into their

1827
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:19,679
philosophy and their goals and one

1828
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:23,120
academic uh who studied marxism i

1829
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:25,040
listened to he made the remark that

1830
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:28,400
marxism was the last of the great

1831
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:29,280
uh

1832
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,199
18 19th century christian heresies

1833
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:35,840
and heresies meaning uh religious

1834
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:37,120
movements that broke off from

1835
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:39,520
christianity and then were

1836
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:41,440
turned on or were turned upon by the

1837
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:43,679
main faith so thinking of marx as a

1838
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:45,840
christian heretic because he wanted to

1839
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:48,000
create a society where

1840
01:15:53,830 --> 01:15:50,400
the foundations of kindness would be

1841
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:53,840
laid where people would uh work and they

1842
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:56,000
would contribute uh

1843
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:57,920
from their abilities and they would

1844
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:00,239
receive not on the basis of their work

1845
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:03,199
but on their basis of needs uh you know

1846
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:04,960
from each according to his ability to

1847
01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:06,800
reach according to his needs

1848
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:10,000
is a basic christian concept of charity

1849
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:11,840
it's a basic christian concept it's a

1850
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:13,920
basic basic humanitarian concept it's a

1851
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:16,000
basic uh uh

1852
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:19,280
socialist concept it's basic to every

1853
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:20,640
major

1854
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:21,360
uh

1855
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:24,320
school of thought and and and human

1856
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:27,520
thinking it's basic to the information

1857
01:16:32,310 --> 01:16:30,320
coming from the contactees and that's

1858
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:32,320
why i think it's important

1859
01:16:39,270 --> 01:16:34,960
really to take it away from all the isms

1860
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:42,630
who we are as human beings

1861
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:45,440
every human being and i think it's even

1862
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:47,679
in a quote from one of those early

1863
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:50,400
contactees has the same

1864
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:52,320
basic needs

1865
01:16:57,030 --> 01:16:54,320
when you think about it

1866
01:17:00,390 --> 01:16:57,040
whether you voted for bernie sanders or

1867
01:17:02,470 --> 01:17:00,400
voted for donald trump every human being

1868
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:02,480
your children your grandchildren will

1869
01:17:06,630 --> 01:17:05,120
have the same basic needs of

1870
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:06,640
adequate food

1871
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:07,920
shelter

1872
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:10,320
health care and education

1873
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:12,239
it's no different whether you're black

1874
01:17:18,149 --> 01:17:14,000
or white whether you're in the united

1875
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:18,159
states or in nigeria or in china or in

1876
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:19,679
in peru

1877
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:20,800
everyone

1878
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:24,000
around the world has those basic needs

1879
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:26,640
the beauty of this planet is whether you

1880
01:17:30,630 --> 01:17:28,880
believe it was created by a god or

1881
01:17:32,149 --> 01:17:30,640
whether it came into existence by some

1882
01:17:34,470 --> 01:17:32,159
cosmic accident

1883
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:34,480
the beauty of this planet is that it has

1884
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:35,920
an abundance

1885
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:39,040
of resources to fulfill everybody's

1886
01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:40,159
needs

1887
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:42,880
all it takes is that we stop seeing each

1888
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:45,920
other as each other's competitors

1889
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:47,679
and once we collaborate once we

1890
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:50,800
cooperate to make available the

1891
01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:53,440
abundance of resources in food and and

1892
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:55,280
raw materials and

1893
01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:58,239
technology know how

1894
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:02,000
medical knowledge everything

1895
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:04,400
the first thing we will notice is that

1896
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:06,719
it will create trust it

1897
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:08,880
it will solve

1898
01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:13,199
our our complete focus on on material

1899
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:16,159
matters material things

1900
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:19,120
rushes you know competition for jobs etc

1901
01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:22,159
once we do that there will be so much

1902
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:22,960
you know

1903
01:18:29,189 --> 01:18:26,000
peace peace of mind in a way and it has

1904
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:29,199
nothing basically to do with religion we

1905
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:31,280
can call it a religion if we go back to

1906
01:18:39,830 --> 01:18:36,870
reconnect with who we really are

1907
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:39,840
reconnect with our inner divinity you

1908
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:41,120
know when i'm speaking from my

1909
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:42,880
background as a student of the wisdom

1910
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:43,920
teachings

1911
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:45,199
and uh

1912
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:47,840
you know what what the world teacher has

1913
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:49,679
been referring to in his teachings the

1914
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:51,360
masters are referring to in the

1915
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:52,640
teachings that have given through

1916
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:54,960
bravatsky and bailey and the others

1917
01:18:59,189 --> 01:18:56,800
um so

1918
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:59,199
you know it's not really to do with

1919
01:19:03,910 --> 01:19:00,960
whether you're a marxist or a christian

1920
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:03,920
or a buddhist or whatever it's whether

1921
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:05,600
whether we recognize that we are human

1922
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:09,280
beings and whether we recognize that

1923
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:12,960
as human beings we are the other

1924
01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:14,800
there is no separation there is no

1925
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:17,600
division only the divisions that we

1926
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:18,719
that we

1927
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:20,560
uh implement

1928
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:23,440
for sure i i was active in the baha'i

1929
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:25,440
faith for 10 years i'm no longer a

1930
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,600
member of that religious community but

1931
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:29,760
the baha'i faith is an independent

1932
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:32,159
religion that was started in persia in

1933
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:33,840
the 19th century

1934
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:36,960
and one of the slogans of the the baha'i

1935
01:19:41,030 --> 01:19:38,320
cause

1936
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:41,040
which wants to spread world peace and

1937
01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:42,560
social justice

1938
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:45,040
one of the one of the important slogans

1939
01:19:51,030 --> 01:19:48,000
that they have is one planet one people

1940
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:51,040
and in the contact movement uh i've i

1941
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:54,000
worked initially with dr greer on c seti

1942
01:19:57,910 --> 01:19:55,199
and then went on to work with

1943
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:57,920
independent groups uh after i left that

1944
01:20:02,950 --> 01:19:59,760
organization in 1997 worked with

1945
01:20:05,830 --> 01:20:02,960
peruvians we've expanded that

1946
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:05,840
slogan from one planet one people to one

1947
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:08,719
universe one people so ultimately uh

1948
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:12,000
what drives me to uh be a team leader

1949
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:14,320
back in the 1990s

1950
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:16,320
of a contact team and then later on

1951
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:18,880
working with rama peruvian contactees in

1952
01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:19,679
the

1953
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:21,920
year 2000 and

1954
01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:24,000
now trying to work with contact

1955
01:20:29,990 --> 01:20:26,560
activists to bring in political themes

1956
01:20:32,709 --> 01:20:30,000
uh into the ufo field you know

1957
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:32,719
it's all being driven by that sense of

1958
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:35,199
brotherhood and sisterhood made large

1959
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:37,360
one planet one people one universe one

1960
01:20:39,430 --> 01:20:38,560
people

1961
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:39,440
and so

1962
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:41,520
so these spiritual themes religious

1963
01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:43,760
themes that you describe in your book

1964
01:20:47,830 --> 01:20:44,960
that came out from these early

1965
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:47,840
contactees you know resonates

1966
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:49,920
very powerfully with me

1967
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:52,239
and one of the things that i felt

1968
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:53,840
very distressed about was the way in

1969
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:56,080
which the marxist

1970
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:59,040
derided other faiths because they said

1971
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:00,880
they're scientists and their scientific

1972
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:03,360
socialism and religion is the opiate of

1973
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:05,600
the of the working class and yet their

1974
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:07,920
own philosophy was basically a

1975
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:10,480
secularized religion that incorporated

1976
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:12,960
many of those themes yeah so so i wanted

1977
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:14,400
to share that with you we're going to

1978
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:15,920
take a a

1979
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:18,080
slight housekeeping break because i want

1980
01:21:22,950 --> 01:21:20,880
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1981
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:22,960
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1982
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1983
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1984
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1985
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01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:04,870
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2022
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:07,679
i'm my name is dr joseph burks i'm an

2023
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:10,480
internal medicine physician and you're a

2024
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:13,120
host for tonight's presentation i have

2025
01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:14,320
with me

2026
01:23:19,189 --> 01:23:15,440
thanks to the

2027
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:19,199
wonders of modern electronics and skype

2028
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:22,880
with us gerard artsen who is a teacher

2029
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:25,199
a lecturer and author and we're talking

2030
01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:29,040
about the influences of the theosophical

2031
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:32,239
movement as well as the early contactees

2032
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:34,320
talking about issues of social justice

2033
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:35,280
peace

2034
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:36,560
and

2035
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:38,320
the need to

2036
01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:40,800
control unsafe technologies whether it

2037
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:42,080
be nuclear

2038
01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:43,920
or in in this case

2039
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:46,880
the environmental effects of the fossil

2040
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:49,600
fuel industries that's causing uh global

2041
01:23:53,189 --> 01:23:51,040
warming or at least contributing to

2042
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:53,199
world climate change may not be the only

2043
01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:54,320
cause

2044
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:56,800
so let's talk more about the philosophy

2045
01:24:02,070 --> 01:23:59,440
of adamski and his friends they you know

2046
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:02,080
they many of them were not well educated

2047
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:02,800
and

2048
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:04,800
although i think donald fry

2049
01:24:10,629 --> 01:24:07,679
was a had a degree in engineering he was

2050
01:24:12,790 --> 01:24:10,639
stationed at white sands test range

2051
01:24:14,629 --> 01:24:12,800
which has historical significance in

2052
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:14,639
terms of ufos

2053
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:17,360
but the majority of them were of modest

2054
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:19,679
uh education uh

2055
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:22,320
and and now i'm very encouraged to see

2056
01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:25,600
that people are active uh in the contact

2057
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:28,000
network so-called contactees

2058
01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:30,400
i think of us as contact activists and

2059
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:33,280
contact workers because the contact e

2060
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:35,280
the e ending usually

2061
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:37,679
uh infers a kind of passive role like

2062
01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:38,719
pay e

2063
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:41,840
contact the employee and in german in

2064
01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:43,440
english the er

2065
01:24:48,550 --> 01:24:46,320
or or endings are more active worker

2066
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:48,560
arbeiter

2067
01:24:52,629 --> 01:24:49,840
actor

2068
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:52,639
so the the e ending is a kind of passive

2069
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:54,400
thing the contact d is getting

2070
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:56,960
information i think of us as contact

2071
01:25:01,750 --> 01:24:59,520
activists because let's face it doing

2072
01:25:03,669 --> 01:25:01,760
radio shows or going out into the field

2073
01:25:04,629 --> 01:25:03,679
in vector and spacecraft

2074
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:04,639
as we

2075
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:06,960
attempted to do back in the 90s

2076
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:09,600
this is a lot of work and so i think of

2077
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:12,000
myself not as a contactee more as a

2078
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:13,840
contact activist

2079
01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:16,000
so let's get into that philosophy again

2080
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:18,480
and bring it up to date as well because

2081
01:25:22,470 --> 01:25:20,320
i until i

2082
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:22,480
read your book i was not aware of

2083
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:24,719
benjamin cream so let's talk about him a

2084
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:26,800
little more because that was much of

2085
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:28,960
your work in terms of i think you served

2086
01:25:32,709 --> 01:25:31,440
as an editor for the his uh newsletter

2087
01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:32,719
is that correct

2088
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:35,199
um well i i

2089
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:37,679
contribute to the dutch edition of of

2090
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:39,360
the monthly magazine that's been

2091
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:41,040
published

2092
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:43,440
since 1982 and that

2093
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:46,480
benjamin cram was the chief editor of

2094
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:54,470
sorry what was the question oh okay so

2095
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:56,400
the question is uh

2096
01:26:02,149 --> 01:25:58,639
we talked about adamski in the 1950s and

2097
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:02,159
now we're talking about um benjamin

2098
01:26:05,830 --> 01:26:03,280
who

2099
01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:05,840
in many ways his writings are even more

2100
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:08,880
up to date uh and and more political and

2101
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:12,480
and easier to uh access for uh people

2102
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:15,120
who live and now in the 21st century

2103
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:18,639
definitely yes see the adamski and

2104
01:26:23,669 --> 01:26:21,120
daniel frye and truman bathroom and buck

2105
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:23,679
nelson these people they were definitely

2106
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:27,280
activists they you know they

2107
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:29,920
put themselves out there against

2108
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:30,880
against

2109
01:26:34,709 --> 01:26:32,159
especially you know when the

2110
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:34,719
disinformation campaign started uh

2111
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:37,360
against uh so people's so-called better

2112
01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:41,360
better uh knowledge uh saying that they

2113
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:43,120
were contact they had been contacted by

2114
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:44,960
people from outer space

2115
01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:47,360
and they were steadfast they didn't

2116
01:26:49,910 --> 01:26:48,400
waver

2117
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:49,920
even though they were intimidated they

2118
01:26:54,229 --> 01:26:52,000
were offered checks for

2119
01:26:55,750 --> 01:26:54,239
thousands of dollars uh they were

2120
01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:55,760
activists really

2121
01:27:00,709 --> 01:26:58,320
uh so i agree in other words

2122
01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:00,719
bribes were offered to them to shut them

2123
01:27:03,189 --> 01:27:02,320
up or

2124
01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:03,199
or

2125
01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:05,840
denounced what they had said previously

2126
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:08,320
yes and and being people and being

2127
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:10,560
people of humble background they weren't

2128
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:12,239
like an emergency room physician like

2129
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:15,280
say dr grier or myself who uh back in

2130
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:17,600
the 1990s we were making

2131
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:22,000
between 150 and 200 000 a year uh

2132
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:25,199
we had means but these people from the

2133
01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:27,360
contact these uh activists from the

2134
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:31,280
1950s would be more susceptible to an uh

2135
01:27:35,430 --> 01:27:33,280
shall we say bribes because they were of

2136
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:35,440
humble background exactly yes and and

2137
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:38,000
maybe it's a it's a it's good to point

2138
01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:41,280
out that this this rumor this gossip

2139
01:27:47,590 --> 01:27:43,679
about the damski having you know

2140
01:27:49,350 --> 01:27:47,600
been running uh a moon not really

2141
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:49,360
moonshining operation because he had

2142
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:52,400
permission uh ostensibly um

2143
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:54,719
but if that had been the case during the

2144
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:56,880
prohibition time he would have had he

2145
01:28:01,430 --> 01:27:58,880
would have been very very rich and he

2146
01:28:03,510 --> 01:28:01,440
wasn't i mean every everything shows

2147
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:03,520
that he wasn't rich he didn't have money

2148
01:28:07,510 --> 01:28:04,719
um so

2149
01:28:09,990 --> 01:28:07,520
uh maybe that helps to uh to put

2150
01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:10,000
that into the category of rumors and

2151
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:13,360
gossip uh with the uh with the

2152
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:14,400
intention

2153
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:17,280
that uh that we now know it had namely

2154
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:21,360
to to deride and and defame these people

2155
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:24,639
um benjamin kram uh has been

2156
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:26,639
was a contactee actually before i

2157
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:29,040
mentioned that he had been working with

2158
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:31,920
a master of wisdom since 1959 but before

2159
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:34,560
that in the 1950s he was a contactee

2160
01:28:37,990 --> 01:28:35,520
himself

2161
01:28:40,550 --> 01:28:38,000
he had been he wasn't in contact with

2162
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:40,560
with some people from space

2163
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:43,120
according to what he wrote in the

2164
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:46,560
introduction to his first book in 1979

2165
01:28:50,229 --> 01:28:47,760
um

2166
01:28:52,870 --> 01:28:50,239
and he was giving talks about the

2167
01:28:56,229 --> 01:28:52,880
spiritual mission of the space visitors

2168
01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:00,629
uh he even mentioned in a book um

2169
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:03,520
from 2010 uh the gathering of the forces

2170
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:05,120
of light

2171
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:07,679
where he deals with the extraterrestrial

2172
01:29:13,669 --> 01:29:11,280
presence from this esoteric

2173
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:13,679
point of view with with his background

2174
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:15,199
and his knowledge and his contact

2175
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:17,840
especially with his master of wisdom um

2176
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:20,480
he mentions that he briefly worked with

2177
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:23,120
adamski in a group

2178
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:24,719
in the 1950s

2179
01:29:28,709 --> 01:29:27,520
that didn't meet in person but out of

2180
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:28,719
the body

2181
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:31,040
um and of course there's no way we can

2182
01:29:34,709 --> 01:29:32,400
we can

2183
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:34,719
you know

2184
01:29:39,390 --> 01:29:37,520
check check check uh the accuracy of

2185
01:29:41,830 --> 01:29:39,400
that but we do know from the modern

2186
01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:41,840
parapsychological literature that people

2187
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:44,800
do have encounters uh out of body and

2188
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:47,120
absolutely and this is a this is a

2189
01:29:53,830 --> 01:29:50,960
psychic phenomena that is robust and so

2190
01:29:55,270 --> 01:29:53,840
the claims back then uh were

2191
01:29:58,149 --> 01:29:55,280
were um

2192
01:29:59,990 --> 01:29:58,159
more suspect perhaps because uh modern

2193
01:30:02,229 --> 01:30:00,000
parapsychology

2194
01:30:04,790 --> 01:30:02,239
was not established as

2195
01:30:07,750 --> 01:30:04,800
not not as firmly it is today although

2196
01:30:10,709 --> 01:30:07,760
today it's still uh uphill battle

2197
01:30:13,350 --> 01:30:10,719
for parapsychology to be accepted as a

2198
01:30:15,750 --> 01:30:13,360
science absolutely absolutely yes

2199
01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:15,760
uh nevertheless benjamin cram has been

2200
01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:19,920
working since 1979 74 actually but that

2201
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:21,760
was before he published his first book

2202
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:24,719
but since 1974 he's been lecturing first

2203
01:30:29,430 --> 01:30:27,360
in in the united kingdom in london uh

2204
01:30:32,310 --> 01:30:29,440
since 1978

2205
01:30:35,110 --> 01:30:32,320
he started to venture out into europe

2206
01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:35,120
holland and belgium first on invitation

2207
01:30:40,310 --> 01:30:37,440
by invitation

2208
01:30:43,270 --> 01:30:40,320
talking about the return

2209
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:43,280
into the world of the world teacher

2210
01:30:46,870 --> 01:30:44,080
for

2211
01:30:48,629 --> 01:30:46,880
the new coming age

2212
01:30:51,910 --> 01:30:48,639
new cosmic cycle

2213
01:30:55,110 --> 01:30:51,920
and just as you know teachers have come

2214
01:30:57,350 --> 01:30:55,120
previously historically to inaugurate a

2215
01:30:59,830 --> 01:30:57,360
new cycle

2216
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:59,840
jesus came to inaugurate

2217
01:31:12,709 --> 01:31:00,719
the

2218
01:31:15,430 --> 01:31:12,719
are similar especially you we still find

2219
01:31:16,470 --> 01:31:15,440
symbols of those ages the age of taurus

2220
01:31:18,550 --> 01:31:16,480
for instance

2221
01:31:20,310 --> 01:31:18,560
with the

2222
01:31:22,310 --> 01:31:20,320
the golden calf

2223
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:22,320
that went against

2224
01:31:29,510 --> 01:31:26,560
moses instructions on the stone tablets

2225
01:31:31,750 --> 01:31:29,520
the age of of the ram i believe with

2226
01:31:33,910 --> 01:31:31,760
mitras the egyptian

2227
01:31:37,030 --> 01:31:33,920
teacher

2228
01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:37,040
etc and according to the teachings

2229
01:31:42,149 --> 01:31:38,560
the coming age will be the age of

2230
01:31:44,310 --> 01:31:42,159
aquarius and it is important and graham

2231
01:31:46,709 --> 01:31:44,320
has always pointed that out it is

2232
01:31:47,910 --> 01:31:46,719
nothing whatsoever to do with a new

2233
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:47,920
religion

2234
01:31:53,910 --> 01:31:51,840
the teachers who come

2235
01:31:57,270 --> 01:31:53,920
except this time it will be different

2236
01:31:59,270 --> 01:31:57,280
because we now have global communication

2237
01:32:00,709 --> 01:31:59,280
we have global transportation we have

2238
01:32:02,709 --> 01:32:00,719
global connection

2239
01:32:06,790 --> 01:32:02,719
so everybody will be

2240
01:32:09,270 --> 01:32:06,800
uh able to hear the teachers words

2241
01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:09,280
directly individually

2242
01:32:15,830 --> 01:32:12,400
without need for interpreters so this

2243
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:15,840
time there will not necessarily be a new

2244
01:32:18,390 --> 01:32:17,520
religion

2245
01:32:20,310 --> 01:32:18,400
although

2246
01:32:22,310 --> 01:32:20,320
you know people in

2247
01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:22,320
because they are in different stages of

2248
01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:24,719
evolution of development some people

2249
01:32:29,189 --> 01:32:27,040
will need a form of religion right it's

2250
01:32:31,110 --> 01:32:29,199
also not to do with abolishing doing

2251
01:32:35,030 --> 01:32:31,120
away with religions but religions the

2252
01:32:38,229 --> 01:32:35,040
existing religions will be purified and

2253
01:32:40,790 --> 01:32:38,239
eventually will be amalgamated into a

2254
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:40,800
world religion according to

2255
01:32:45,110 --> 01:32:42,480
the master who worked through alice

2256
01:32:46,470 --> 01:32:45,120
bailey but i think i would like to bring

2257
01:32:48,070 --> 01:32:46,480
i'd like to bring up to interrupt you

2258
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:48,080
for a moment so i'd like to bring up

2259
01:32:54,229 --> 01:32:50,880
again joe mcgonigle in his book the

2260
01:32:56,709 --> 01:32:54,239
ultimate time machine uh at lowe's we

2261
01:32:59,830 --> 01:32:56,719
know that pros need to be ready ready to

2262
01:33:01,590 --> 01:32:59,840
roll felt ready to cap ready to shingle

2263
01:33:03,510 --> 01:33:01,600
and during lowe's ready to raise the

2264
01:33:06,310 --> 01:33:03,520
roof event pro customers should get

2265
01:33:08,629 --> 01:33:06,320
ready to save big with up to 20 percent

2266
01:33:11,110 --> 01:33:08,639
on gaf shingles every day when they buy

2267
01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:11,120
in bulk plus now through july 16th at

2268
01:33:16,070 --> 01:33:13,920
lowe's pros can save up to 20 off select

2269
01:33:18,229 --> 01:33:16,080
hitachi nailers compressors and power

2270
01:33:19,910 --> 01:33:18,239
tools see the pro desk in store for

2271
01:33:21,830 --> 01:33:19,920
details shingle offer applies to

2272
01:33:24,950 --> 01:33:21,840
contractor packs selection varies by

2273
01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:24,960
store us only where he remote viewed

2274
01:33:30,390 --> 01:33:28,320
what a possible future the year 3000 and

2275
01:33:33,350 --> 01:33:30,400
one of the interesting characteristics

2276
01:33:35,669 --> 01:33:33,360
of that future civilization uh or at

2277
01:33:37,910 --> 01:33:35,679
least potential future civilization was

2278
01:33:40,950 --> 01:33:37,920
that although there were three major

2279
01:33:44,709 --> 01:33:40,960
religions islam christianity and the the

2280
01:33:47,030 --> 01:33:44,719
hindi religion hinduism um that they had

2281
01:33:48,470 --> 01:33:47,040
really come together quite a bit in

2282
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:48,480
terms of their

2283
01:33:54,790 --> 01:33:51,840
teachings and their philosophy uh and

2284
01:33:57,430 --> 01:33:54,800
the distinctions were blurred in the

2285
01:34:00,070 --> 01:33:57,440
future and you know i think religions

2286
01:34:02,629 --> 01:34:00,080
coming together uh you know is very

2287
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:02,639
important because uh

2288
01:34:06,629 --> 01:34:04,560
they were created

2289
01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:06,639
initially by the disciples of great

2290
01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:09,120
teachers to create a world of peace and

2291
01:34:14,790 --> 01:34:11,840
cooperation and right now the major

2292
01:34:17,830 --> 01:34:14,800
faiths are all over the world are are

2293
01:34:21,510 --> 01:34:17,840
the background for secular sectarian and

2294
01:34:24,070 --> 01:34:21,520
political violence and so extremism yes

2295
01:34:26,229 --> 01:34:24,080
extremism so you know i think that

2296
01:34:28,550 --> 01:34:26,239
all the faiths coming together and the

2297
01:34:30,790 --> 01:34:28,560
work of the catholic church in terms of

2298
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:30,800
recent statements from from the vatican

2299
01:34:36,550 --> 01:34:34,080
about the importance of islam and the

2300
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:36,560
willingness to dialogue these are all

2301
01:34:41,910 --> 01:34:39,040
very important developments uh so that

2302
01:34:45,030 --> 01:34:41,920
we can achieve one planet one people and

2303
01:34:47,189 --> 01:34:45,040
on the basis of that collective unity

2304
01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:47,199
go out and meet

2305
01:34:52,790 --> 01:34:49,600
potential visitors from the stars or

2306
01:34:54,390 --> 01:34:52,800
alter other dimensions uh whichever the

2307
01:34:56,470 --> 01:34:54,400
case might be

2308
01:34:59,110 --> 01:34:56,480
so so i think i think there is a

2309
01:35:03,110 --> 01:34:59,120
religious impulse that's associated with

2310
01:35:05,110 --> 01:35:03,120
the uh with you the ufo community uh i

2311
01:35:08,229 --> 01:35:05,120
as a a former

2312
01:35:10,229 --> 01:35:08,239
marxist understand the objections uh you

2313
01:35:12,229 --> 01:35:10,239
know to religion but

2314
01:35:15,030 --> 01:35:12,239
as someone who has seen the suffering

2315
01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:15,040
that marxism and materialism and has

2316
01:35:21,910 --> 01:35:18,239
done to the world i i see a strong need

2317
01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:21,920
for spiritual uh renovation uh and uh

2318
01:35:25,990 --> 01:35:24,000
for the religions to fulfill their true

2319
01:35:28,870 --> 01:35:26,000
potential to bring heaven on earth

2320
01:35:31,030 --> 01:35:28,880
through peace operation well let's not

2321
01:35:33,189 --> 01:35:31,040
forget that it's not just marxism that

2322
01:35:36,149 --> 01:35:33,199
brought suffering to humanity look at

2323
01:35:38,629 --> 01:35:36,159
what capitalism is doing not only to our

2324
01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:38,639
western societies but also to the planet

2325
01:35:42,470 --> 01:35:40,800
and our ecology in our own habitat the

2326
01:35:45,189 --> 01:35:42,480
only planet that we have

2327
01:35:47,350 --> 01:35:45,199
uh capitalism is

2328
01:35:50,149 --> 01:35:47,360
selling out it's it's plundering and

2329
01:35:52,550 --> 01:35:50,159
pillaging the planet uh it's it's it's

2330
01:35:55,110 --> 01:35:52,560
pillaging human capital human health

2331
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:55,120
human lives yes it's sacrificing human

2332
01:36:02,790 --> 01:35:57,840
lives on the outer of of competition and

2333
01:36:05,990 --> 01:36:02,800
greed so you know it has been every

2334
01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:06,000
human attempt at at

2335
01:36:10,149 --> 01:36:07,679
building a society

2336
01:36:13,110 --> 01:36:10,159
that we now see has failed because we

2337
01:36:15,669 --> 01:36:13,120
have we have always done it on the basis

2338
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:15,679
of exclusivity and it's interesting that

2339
01:36:20,310 --> 01:36:18,239
you brought up that point of the the

2340
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:20,320
fates coming together because if you

2341
01:36:25,350 --> 01:36:23,199
look at the at the heart of the major

2342
01:36:26,950 --> 01:36:25,360
religions and i mean all of the major

2343
01:36:29,750 --> 01:36:26,960
religions not just the main three but

2344
01:36:32,550 --> 01:36:29,760
all of them we will we see that all of

2345
01:36:35,110 --> 01:36:32,560
them have social justice at their core

2346
01:36:36,550 --> 01:36:35,120
golden rule do unto others as you would

2347
01:36:39,110 --> 01:36:36,560
have done unto you

2348
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:39,120
if you would have do them to you and but

2349
01:36:44,550 --> 01:36:41,280
interestingly all of the major religions

2350
01:36:45,990 --> 01:36:44,560
also share the the notion of a returning

2351
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:46,000
teacher

2352
01:36:49,189 --> 01:36:47,360
the christians are waiting for the

2353
01:36:50,709 --> 01:36:49,199
second coming uh

2354
01:36:53,109 --> 01:36:50,719
buddhists are waiting for the fifth

2355
01:36:54,790 --> 01:36:53,119
buddha who was who was

2356
01:36:55,910 --> 01:36:54,800
islam they're waiting for the 12th iman

2357
01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:55,920
to come

2358
01:37:01,270 --> 01:36:59,600
yeah the the 12th mahdi 12th imam

2359
01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:01,280
the hindus are waiting for the 10th

2360
01:37:07,990 --> 01:37:05,280
incarnation of vishnu so that's another

2361
01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:08,000
you know uh point where they coincide

2362
01:37:12,629 --> 01:37:10,960
and this and this this uh spiritual

2363
01:37:13,990 --> 01:37:12,639
sentiment of waiting for the return of

2364
01:37:15,669 --> 01:37:14,000
the master

2365
01:37:18,229 --> 01:37:15,679
is incorporated in the faith that i was

2366
01:37:21,189 --> 01:37:18,239
part of for ten years the baha'i faith

2367
01:37:23,270 --> 01:37:21,199
in which they talk about they talk about

2368
01:37:25,189 --> 01:37:23,280
progressive revelation that in every

2369
01:37:28,470 --> 01:37:25,199
historic period there comes a great

2370
01:37:30,629 --> 01:37:28,480
teacher usually with a book of teachings

2371
01:37:33,910 --> 01:37:30,639
and and a new faith is

2372
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:33,920
is created to address the spiritual and

2373
01:37:39,109 --> 01:37:36,480
ultimately the material needs of of that

2374
01:37:42,390 --> 01:37:39,119
evolving civilization and that according

2375
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:42,400
to the baha'is this is endless that that

2376
01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:45,520
progressive revelation will never stop

2377
01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:46,320
and

2378
01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:49,040
it will include women as well as men who

2379
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:51,840
will be remembered uh you know clearly

2380
01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:53,920
women have been teachers the first

2381
01:37:59,189 --> 01:37:55,840
teacher that we all have after all is

2382
01:38:02,070 --> 01:37:59,199
our mother yes and so women women are

2383
01:38:04,390 --> 01:38:02,080
going to play a very active role and i

2384
01:38:06,950 --> 01:38:04,400
suspect uh if there is a great teacher

2385
01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:06,960
that emerges in our era she will be a

2386
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:08,000
woman

2387
01:38:12,229 --> 01:38:09,520
and i look forward to that the world

2388
01:38:15,030 --> 01:38:12,239
teacher um who according to benjamin

2389
01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:15,040
cram is in a male body at this time

2390
01:38:18,629 --> 01:38:16,800
and that's to do with the energetic

2391
01:38:20,629 --> 01:38:18,639
balance of the planets

2392
01:38:21,750 --> 01:38:20,639
according to the wisdom teachings the

2393
01:38:22,629 --> 01:38:21,760
first

2394
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:22,639
uh

2395
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:25,440
masters who will take a female body will

2396
01:38:31,669 --> 01:38:27,840
be in about 600 years but the world

2397
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:31,679
teacher whose personal name was

2398
01:38:37,109 --> 01:38:34,960
already given by gautama buddha and this

2399
01:38:39,590 --> 01:38:37,119
the personal name is maitreya

2400
01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:39,600
has said that this is this coming age

2401
01:38:44,149 --> 01:38:41,920
that he's coming to inaugurate will be

2402
01:38:45,669 --> 01:38:44,159
the age of the mother

2403
01:38:48,870 --> 01:38:45,679
so there you go and you know and it's

2404
01:38:51,669 --> 01:38:48,880
not a coincidence that the supreme

2405
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:51,679
movement for equal rights between men

2406
01:38:55,270 --> 01:38:54,000
and women was also inspired by one of

2407
01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:55,280
the masters

2408
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:58,159
but to come back to these these these

2409
01:39:03,030 --> 01:39:00,960
similarities uh in the religious

2410
01:39:04,629 --> 01:39:03,040
all of the religions and it ties in with

2411
01:39:06,709 --> 01:39:04,639
what you said about the baha'i faith

2412
01:39:08,709 --> 01:39:06,719
about the ongoing revelation the

2413
01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:08,719
never-ending revelation all of the

2414
01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:11,280
religions also or

2415
01:39:15,030 --> 01:39:13,600
at least five major religions also

2416
01:39:16,070 --> 01:39:15,040
recognize

2417
01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:16,080
or or

2418
01:39:20,870 --> 01:39:19,360
have the same notion of the evolution of

2419
01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:20,880
consciousness

2420
01:39:24,229 --> 01:39:22,239
and of course this evolution of

2421
01:39:27,430 --> 01:39:24,239
consciousness

2422
01:39:30,870 --> 01:39:27,440
it goes on if the human kingdom has come

2423
01:39:32,470 --> 01:39:30,880
out of the has evolved out of the animal

2424
01:39:34,149 --> 01:39:32,480
kingdom the animal kingdom has come out

2425
01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:34,159
of the vegetable kingdom which has come

2426
01:39:38,709 --> 01:39:36,320
out of the mineral kingdom and human

2427
01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:38,719
kingdom is not the end of it it's not

2428
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:41,280
the end of the line for evolution it is

2429
01:39:45,189 --> 01:39:42,719
a clearinghouse in terms of

2430
01:39:46,629 --> 01:39:45,199
consciousness and from human kingdom

2431
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:46,639
have evolved as i mentioned the

2432
01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:49,520
spiritual kingdom and it goes on and on

2433
01:39:52,629 --> 01:39:50,880
and on to

2434
01:39:54,870 --> 01:39:52,639
to

2435
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:54,880
levels of of consciousness that we

2436
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:56,960
cannot begin to imagine

2437
01:40:01,350 --> 01:39:59,440
uh of which the masters and and the

2438
01:40:04,149 --> 01:40:01,360
world teacher and the and the historical

2439
01:40:07,669 --> 01:40:04,159
teachers are mere examples

2440
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:07,679
um for us to aspire towards

2441
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:08,400
and

2442
01:40:12,390 --> 01:40:11,360
this this time in human history is so

2443
01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:12,400
important

2444
01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:15,119
uh because and it's not to not just it's

2445
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:16,560
not just

2446
01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:19,280
about the fate but it's about putting

2447
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:22,880
into practice the fact that we know what

2448
01:40:28,950 --> 01:40:25,840
we know most people are aware inwardly

2449
01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:28,960
that we are one on the on the cover of

2450
01:40:34,149 --> 01:40:31,199
my second book here to help ufos and

2451
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:34,159
space brothers i summarize the message

2452
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:35,040
that

2453
01:40:42,870 --> 01:40:40,239
from the space people life is one

2454
01:40:44,310 --> 01:40:42,880
so live as one or perish

2455
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:44,320
you know and that's the message that we

2456
01:40:49,990 --> 01:40:47,199
were given uh not only through the the

2457
01:40:51,510 --> 01:40:50,000
contactees but also through the masters

2458
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:51,520
and

2459
01:40:55,669 --> 01:40:53,920
the polarization that is going on now

2460
01:40:58,629 --> 01:40:55,679
will show us

2461
01:41:01,669 --> 01:40:58,639
without a doubt the way forward

2462
01:41:03,830 --> 01:41:01,679
at least a large enough critical mass of

2463
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:03,840
humanity to make their dry choice

2464
01:41:08,550 --> 01:41:07,440
forward uh when our systems crash and

2465
01:41:11,189 --> 01:41:08,560
crumble

2466
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:11,199
which is you know which will happen any

2467
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:12,239
day now

2468
01:41:16,070 --> 01:41:14,560
i'm not i'm not so sure about any day

2469
01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:16,080
now because

2470
01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:18,400
i think i think in terms of his history

2471
01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:20,480
it's it's a relatively short period of

2472
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:22,080
time that's going to

2473
01:41:25,750 --> 01:41:23,600
uh pass

2474
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:25,760
when the effects of combined effects of

2475
01:41:29,990 --> 01:41:29,040
of global warming and climate uh climate

2476
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:30,000
change

2477
01:41:35,430 --> 01:41:33,520
will stress the food supply for tens or

2478
01:41:38,709 --> 01:41:35,440
even hundreds of millions of people it's

2479
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:38,719
been estimated in bangladesh where

2480
01:41:43,669 --> 01:41:41,360
tens of millions of very poor farmers

2481
01:41:46,709 --> 01:41:43,679
grow rice just a few feet above sea

2482
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:46,719
level there are crops will be destroyed

2483
01:41:50,950 --> 01:41:48,960
and their farms will be underwater it's

2484
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:50,960
anticipated and there will be no way

2485
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:54,080
that the world can feed 60 to 100

2486
01:41:59,990 --> 01:41:55,760
million bang people who live in

2487
01:42:02,790 --> 01:42:00,000
bangladesh so we're looking at uh

2488
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:02,800
sorry i think the world has

2489
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:05,040
more than has a surplus of food except

2490
01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:08,080
it's being stored for profit motives

2491
01:42:14,390 --> 01:42:11,440
it's not being distributed and sadly the

2492
01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:14,400
current situation is so that

2493
01:42:19,510 --> 01:42:16,560
the the financial

2494
01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:19,520
powerhouses and the stock markets

2495
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:22,480
dictate where money goes or where

2496
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:24,719
products go and

2497
01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:27,440
i think with the current uh

2498
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:30,239
you know instable political situation in

2499
01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:31,440
the world

2500
01:42:35,750 --> 01:42:33,040
and perhaps we

2501
01:42:37,669 --> 01:42:35,760
we should be thankful that mr trump's

2502
01:42:39,910 --> 01:42:37,679
election to the highest office of the

2503
01:42:43,030 --> 01:42:39,920
united states will

2504
01:42:45,189 --> 01:42:43,040
you know will contribute to a situation

2505
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:45,199
internationally where

2506
01:42:51,189 --> 01:42:48,400
the the stock markets will fail and and

2507
01:42:52,950 --> 01:42:51,199
so this whole house of cards will come

2508
01:42:55,910 --> 01:42:52,960
crashing down and

2509
01:42:58,629 --> 01:42:55,920
when it happens this is according to the

2510
01:43:01,030 --> 01:42:58,639
information from benjamin kram um it

2511
01:43:03,189 --> 01:43:01,040
will it will show humanity or it will

2512
01:43:05,669 --> 01:43:03,199
force you and make this choice and at

2513
01:43:07,750 --> 01:43:05,679
that time the world teacher again

2514
01:43:10,390 --> 01:43:07,760
according to benjamin kram will step

2515
01:43:12,390 --> 01:43:10,400
forward the teacher has been in the

2516
01:43:13,590 --> 01:43:12,400
world ready to to

2517
01:43:16,229 --> 01:43:13,600
you know preparing the world and

2518
01:43:19,830 --> 01:43:16,239
humanity but ready to announce himself

2519
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:19,840
since 1977 and

2520
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:22,080
when we get to that point

2521
01:43:26,310 --> 01:43:23,600
he will finally be able to announce

2522
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:26,320
himself make himself known to

2523
01:43:30,470 --> 01:43:28,960
humanity and because of the current

2524
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:30,480
polarization

2525
01:43:41,830 --> 01:43:36,550
and

2526
01:43:43,030 --> 01:43:41,840
civilization you know for for the human

2527
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:43,040
race to

2528
01:43:47,990 --> 01:43:45,280
uh to

2529
01:43:50,870 --> 01:43:48,000
to survive and for civilization to

2530
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:50,880
progress uh safely um

2531
01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:53,920
we will have to get away from the old

2532
01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:57,360
ways of competition and greed competing

2533
01:44:01,910 --> 01:43:58,480
um

2534
01:44:04,070 --> 01:44:01,920
for for profit uh destroying the planet

2535
01:44:06,470 --> 01:44:04,080
there's only one way forward only one

2536
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:06,480
realistic and viable way forward that's

2537
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:08,560
through international cooperation

2538
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:11,199
sharing the resources of the world and

2539
01:44:14,709 --> 01:44:13,280
creating justice and freedom for

2540
01:44:16,709 --> 01:44:14,719
everyone not just for the people who are

2541
01:44:19,270 --> 01:44:16,719
rich and who can afford to to

2542
01:44:21,109 --> 01:44:19,280
to buy their way into their freedom

2543
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:21,119
which is not real freedom of course if

2544
01:44:26,709 --> 01:44:23,760
my freedom depends on your lack of

2545
01:44:29,350 --> 01:44:26,719
freedom then we have a dependency

2546
01:44:31,270 --> 01:44:29,360
situation and i'm not free because i

2547
01:44:33,910 --> 01:44:31,280
wouldn't have this freedom unless you're

2548
01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:33,920
not free so freedom is universal and

2549
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:36,480
justice is universal or it doesn't exist

2550
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:38,560
and we now live in a world where neither

2551
01:44:44,390 --> 01:44:41,280
exists and um

2552
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:44,400
it will soon come i believe that and and

2553
01:44:47,189 --> 01:44:45,520
it's the information coming from

2554
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:47,199
benjamin graham but i think also the

2555
01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:48,560
world situation

2556
01:44:53,189 --> 01:44:51,520
shows that uh you know we're in the

2557
01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:53,199
latter days of this

2558
01:44:57,990 --> 01:44:54,880
civilization we're

2559
01:45:00,149 --> 01:44:58,000
going in on at a higher uh

2560
01:45:03,750 --> 01:45:00,159
turn of the spiral through the the

2561
01:45:05,910 --> 01:45:03,760
latter days of rome and

2562
01:45:08,229 --> 01:45:05,920
these are very interesting times to to

2563
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:08,239
be alive to be an incarnation yes they

2564
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:10,480
are very interesting times to be alive

2565
01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:12,639
and i think it's not only planetary

2566
01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:16,000
unity that's a precondition

2567
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:16,800
for

2568
01:45:20,629 --> 01:45:19,119
direct relations with whatever the

2569
01:45:22,790 --> 01:45:20,639
source of the intelligence associated

2570
01:45:26,470 --> 01:45:22,800
with the ufo phenomena but it also has

2571
01:45:28,709 --> 01:45:26,480
to be uh world unity uh that's peaceful

2572
01:45:31,750 --> 01:45:28,719
and is as you have described based on

2573
01:45:34,310 --> 01:45:31,760
social justice not world unity based on

2574
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:34,320
uh domination and absolutely not and the

2575
01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:36,800
rule of the few you know

2576
01:45:41,109 --> 01:45:38,719
may i make one point we have just we

2577
01:45:43,750 --> 01:45:41,119
just have it last two minutes of our

2578
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:43,760
show so let's let's have you make uh

2579
01:45:48,070 --> 01:45:46,800
your final statements and then we can uh

2580
01:45:52,470 --> 01:45:48,080
go to

2581
01:45:54,390 --> 01:45:52,480
our outro and share with our audience

2582
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:54,400
our closing thoughts now

2583
01:45:57,270 --> 01:45:55,520
thank you

2584
01:45:59,990 --> 01:45:57,280
i think what we need to remember is that

2585
01:46:02,709 --> 01:46:00,000
unity does not equal uniformity many

2586
01:46:06,550 --> 01:46:02,719
people spurn unity because they're

2587
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:06,560
afraid of uniformity but unity can only

2588
01:46:11,830 --> 01:46:07,840
be

2589
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:11,840
valid and valuable through diversity if

2590
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:14,400
everyone contributes their individual

2591
01:46:19,990 --> 01:46:17,280
talents and viewpoints to the whole and

2592
01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:20,000
when everyone is is allowed to do that

2593
01:46:25,109 --> 01:46:23,040
we can have real unity and unity is not

2594
01:46:27,910 --> 01:46:25,119
only strength in numbers

2595
01:46:29,750 --> 01:46:27,920
but strength also in diversity of

2596
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:29,760
talents right

2597
01:46:34,790 --> 01:46:31,760
unity and strength through celebration

2598
01:46:36,229 --> 01:46:34,800
of diversity is a is a wonderful slogan

2599
01:46:37,510 --> 01:46:36,239
and uh

2600
01:46:41,350 --> 01:46:37,520
i'm going to

2601
01:46:44,870 --> 01:46:41,360
say good night uh to you we've been

2602
01:46:47,510 --> 01:46:44,880
talking with gerard artson uh lecturer

2603
01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:47,520
author and also who speaks by the way

2604
01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:48,880
amazingly

2605
01:46:57,350 --> 01:46:54,400
and uh and your books are are very clear

2606
01:46:59,669 --> 01:46:57,360
i recommend them to our audience how can

2607
01:47:01,109 --> 01:46:59,679
people uh purchase your books and learn

2608
01:47:02,470 --> 01:47:01,119
more about you

2609
01:47:04,070 --> 01:47:02,480
um

2610
01:47:05,590 --> 01:47:04,080
people can learn more about me on my

2611
01:47:06,229 --> 01:47:05,600
website

2612
01:47:22,790 --> 01:47:06,239
b

2613
01:47:25,350 --> 01:47:22,800
okay well we've uh had a very

2614
01:47:27,990 --> 01:47:25,360
interesting philosophical spiritual and

2615
01:47:31,350 --> 01:47:28,000
political discussion um my name is dr

2616
01:47:33,030 --> 01:47:31,360
joseph burks uh i'm a semi-retired

2617
01:47:35,109 --> 01:47:33,040
internal medicine physician and i'd like

2618
01:47:38,070 --> 01:47:35,119
to thank uh

2619
01:47:40,149 --> 01:47:38,080
mr joseph champion who is our producer

2620
01:47:42,629 --> 01:47:40,159
and co-owner of the inception radio

2621
01:47:44,629 --> 01:47:42,639
network as well as mr ken cherry for

2622
01:47:48,629 --> 01:47:44,639
giving me the opportunity to be our uh

2623
01:47:50,070 --> 01:47:48,639
host uh and it's time now to uh

2624
01:47:51,510 --> 01:47:50,080
say

2625
01:47:53,270 --> 01:47:51,520
remember

2626
01:47:55,990 --> 01:47:53,280
if you are uh

2627
01:47:58,149 --> 01:47:56,000
out in the field and you see a ufo don't

2628
01:48:00,229 --> 01:47:58,159
just stand there with your mouth open

2629
01:48:02,070 --> 01:48:00,239
send a thought to it move to the left or

2630
01:48:04,629 --> 01:48:02,080
to the right or signal at it with a

2631
01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:04,639
flashlight because if they do signal

2632
01:48:09,910 --> 01:48:07,440
back this confirms that they are very

2633
01:48:11,910 --> 01:48:09,920
likely to be of anomalous nature and not

2634
01:48:14,870 --> 01:48:11,920
say the united states or the mexican air

2635
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:14,880
force on maneuvers so say stay healthy

2636
01:48:19,510 --> 01:48:17,040
stay strong and thank you so much for

2637
01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:19,520
listening my name is dr joseph burks i

2638
01:48:25,900 --> 01:48:21,040
wish you all good night

2639
01:48:30,629 --> 01:48:28,870
[Music]

2640
01:48:32,629 --> 01:48:30,639
thank you for being with us tonight

2641
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:32,639
please join us again next monday evening

2642
01:48:37,270 --> 01:48:34,080
for extraordinary phenomena

2643
01:48:39,990 --> 01:48:37,280
investigations council's epic voyages

2644
01:48:50,820 --> 01:48:40,000
i'm roger peacock for epic until next